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> And yes, ending the Russian-Ukrainian war is in fact de-escalation, even if giving Russia what they want is the outcome. That’s what they said about the Sude

> And yes, ending the Russian-Ukrainian war is in fact de-escalation, even if giving Russia what they want is the outcome. That’s what they said about the Sudentenland, too.

fastball 2y ago
Indeed, sometimes de-escalation is followed by further escalation. By your implied metric, every ceasefire that wasn't permanent was a failure. Sudentenland is the exception that makes the rule. Throughout history, most peace agreements have not been immediately violated by the "winning" side.
- mcphage 2y ago
  > most peace agreements have not been immediately violated by the "winning" side. Most peace agreements are signed when the war is over and one side has given up. Most peace agreements aren’t attempts at appeasement.
  - fastball 2y ago
    And this war won't end either, if neither side gives in.
    - mcphage 2y ago
      That’s the thing about war—if it goes on long enough, it eventually ends, because one side is unable to continue it. And if it’s the aggressor, then that stops them from continuing their aggression.