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by rl3 2y ago

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sealeck 2y ago
Machines are starting to "think" in the same way that ELIZA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA) is a good conversationalist; it's a mirage.
- rvz 2y ago
  This is actually an emerging scam. Those pushing the idea that these AI systems are "thinking" always have something to sell you to believe the lie. The reality is, they generate as much plausible-looking responses to the untrained eye, only for any domain expert to verify that it produced nonsense (with the wrong citations). Again, the ones spreading the AI hype are giving vacuous predictions of a utopian future with UBI, no more humans working which is being repeated by those fully invested in the AI race when the reality is the exact opposite and will try to use it as an excuse to displace your job. It is a giant scam that is being allowed to happen, Why? Because they are directly invested in it; including Elon, Sam and all the private investors you already know about who won't say the truth.
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  - brookst 2y ago
    This is more ideological ranting than any kind of reality. LLMs certainly aren’t perfect, but the idea that they cannot do anything a domain expert finds accurate is false.
biophysboy 2y ago
If A and B generate an essay, and A produces it through thinking, that does not mean that B did the same.
- h0l0cube 2y ago
  What I don't hear in discussions about this, is in what manner human 'thinking' is distinguished from AI 'thinking'. A lot of people hold the prejudice that both 'thinking' and 'consciousness' are substrate dependent, without a lick of evidence. If the hard problem of consciousness is unsolvable, it would make sense to err towards, at least, 'We don't know if it is', but ethically it would be responsible to err towards 'It is', and in reality 'It could be'—assuming the AI is observably intelligent in the same manner as other life we deem intelligent.
  - biophysboy 2y ago
    It is ethically hazardous to assume it is sentient because it misleads people about its intrinsic capability and its economic value. Edit: also, the comment above is still true if A and B are made of the same substrate
    - h0l0cube 2y ago
      > ethically hazardous What's the ethical hazard here? The ethical hazard of inadvertently torturing limitless miserable slaves is a thing, but I'm not sure what the hazard is in this misleading about economic value extraction. Would someone miss out on money or something?
      - biophysboy 2y ago
        No, that is a sci-fi hazard, I’m only talking about misleading people. Economic bubbles, financial cons, etc
        h0l0cube 2y ago
        I'm not so bothered about fools being parted with their money. In a perfect economy, they ought to be. > a sci-fi hazard Until it isn't. And we wouldn't know when this comes to pass, because few are motivated to care about it.

by rl3 2y ago

sealeck 2y ago

Machines are starting to "think" in the same way that ELIZA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA) is a good conversationalist; it's a mirage.

rvz 2y ago
This is actually an emerging scam. Those pushing the idea that these AI systems are "thinking" always have something to sell you to believe the lie. The reality is, they generate as much plausible-looking responses to the untrained eye, only for any domain expert to verify that it produced nonsense (with the wrong citations). Again, the ones spreading the AI hype are giving vacuous predictions of a utopian future with UBI, no more humans working which is being repeated by those fully invested in the AI race when the reality is the exact opposite and will try to use it as an excuse to displace your job. It is a giant scam that is being allowed to happen, Why? Because they are directly invested in it; including Elon, Sam and all the private investors you already know about who won't say the truth.
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- brookst 2y ago
  This is more ideological ranting than any kind of reality. LLMs certainly aren’t perfect, but the idea that they cannot do anything a domain expert finds accurate is false.

biophysboy 2y ago

If A and B generate an essay, and A produces it through thinking, that does not mean that B did the same.

h0l0cube 2y ago
What I don't hear in discussions about this, is in what manner human 'thinking' is distinguished from AI 'thinking'. A lot of people hold the prejudice that both 'thinking' and 'consciousness' are substrate dependent, without a lick of evidence. If the hard problem of consciousness is unsolvable, it would make sense to err towards, at least, 'We don't know if it is', but ethically it would be responsible to err towards 'It is', and in reality 'It could be'—assuming the AI is observably intelligent in the same manner as other life we deem intelligent.
- biophysboy 2y ago
  It is ethically hazardous to assume it is sentient because it misleads people about its intrinsic capability and its economic value. Edit: also, the comment above is still true if A and B are made of the same substrate
  - h0l0cube 2y ago
    > ethically hazardous What's the ethical hazard here? The ethical hazard of inadvertently torturing limitless miserable slaves is a thing, but I'm not sure what the hazard is in this misleading about economic value extraction. Would someone miss out on money or something?
    - biophysboy 2y ago
      No, that is a sci-fi hazard, I’m only talking about misleading people. Economic bubbles, financial cons, etc
      - h0l0cube 2y ago
        I'm not so bothered about fools being parted with their money. In a perfect economy, they ought to be. > a sci-fi hazard Until it isn't. And we wouldn't know when this comes to pass, because few are motivated to care about it.