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by searealist 2y ago

II2II 2y ago
If it takes an AI to display empathy, perhaps we should surrender to the AI overlords.
- deleted 2y ago
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- throw16180339 2y ago
  AI overlords worked pretty well for the Culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_series).
llamaimperative 2y ago
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- searealist 2y ago
  The overlap of people who use unicode emdash and real dash in the same comment is close to 0%. It also has the obvious cadence and filler words of chatgpt.
  - tptacek 2y ago
    Mail hn@ycombinator.com. Don't litigate it on the thread.
    - moralestapia 2y ago
      He's free to do whatever he wants, it's within the guidelines. I also found his comment mildly interesting.
      - tptacek 2y ago
        Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        kortilla 2y ago
        Sounds like that needs to be updated to include accusations of AI. What a world
  - crummy 2y ago
    was the post edited? I don't see any emdashes.
    - searealist 2y ago
      It's still there: —
      - mrlambchop 2y ago
        Sorry - I hate these as well with an intense passion, but ran through grammar checking :(
- 13_9_7_7_5_18 2y ago
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dang 2y ago
Please don't do this here. Edit: I called this wrong - see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43075184 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43075184. Sorry!
- searealist 2y ago
  Putting aside the particular accusation that I have raised for a moment, I am curious to understand whether Hacker News (HN) has established any formal, informal, or otherwise broadly accepted community guidelines, rules, policies, or best practices regarding the usage of comments generated with the assistance of artificial intelligence, specifically through ChatGPT or similar AI-driven language models. My inquiry is motivated by the observation that AI-generated text has become increasingly prevalent in online discourse, and different platforms have adopted varying stances on whether such content is acceptable, encouraged, discouraged, or outright prohibited. Some online communities prefer organic, human-generated discussions to preserve authenticity, while others are more permissive, provided that AI-generated responses align with the spirit and intent of meaningful discourse. Thus, within the context of HN’s commenting system, does the platform have an explicit policy, a tacit expectation, or any historical precedent regarding whether AI-assisted comments are permissible? If so, are there any specific constraints, recommendations, or guiding principles that users should adhere to when leveraging AI for participation in discussions? Furthermore, if such a policy exists, is it officially documented within HN’s guidelines, or is it more of an unwritten cultural norm that has evolved over time through community moderation and feedback? I would appreciate any insights on whether this matter has been formally addressed or discussed in past threads, as well as any pointers to relevant resources that shed light on HN’s stance regarding AI-assisted participation.
  - tqi 2y ago
    > My inquiry is motivated by the observation that AI-generated text has become increasingly prevalent in online discourse You ever notice that only stuff you disliked is AI?
    - baumy 2y ago
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mrlambchop 2y ago
In the spirit of tech conversations, here was my original input from my history: --- I was swept up in this article and the portrait for Amanda (barrows) - what a unique and strong person - this city is soo lucky to have her. I want to respond that unlike some here, I came away with huge empathy and today's HN snark and frustration bounced off me pretty hard accordingly. The public order issues such as homelessness in the park have impacted me, but more so, how to translate the state of the world to my children. I always remind them that this person was once a little boy / girl and we might be older, but we're still kids inside and nobody dreamt to grow up in this environment. The compassion and my own empathy shown here coupled with the pragmatic approach shown by Amanda washed over me and the policies and bureaucratic inefficiencies that make solutions slow and ineffecient are understandable, but also highly frustrating. The unhoused individuals and their mental state vs the requirements to find a home are very frustrating - the city surely understands the cost of housing policies and is run by highly pragmatic people, but rules are rules and some top down accommodations and medications are needed to help merge this. --- I personally don't see my opinions changed here - I think the posted text is a bit better but also agree on the uncanny valley issue. A little less brain swelling and I would have been all over the small signals :) Personally, I find AI and the derivatives extremely helpful when it comes to communication (a booster for the mind!) and use it all the time when translating into other languages and also removing my northern British dialect from communication over in California.
- butter999 2y ago
  A lesson to take from this is, "if a post expresses strong opinions, and you believe AI was involved in it's generation, then they probably used AI to edit, not to generate whole cloth." A hallmark of ChatGPT is an unwillingness to take a position, and instead to describe what positions it's possible to take. By the time you've prompted it enough to take a strong position, you've probably crossed into "editing" rather than "generating". You can disagree with someone's view, but editing their words with AI doesn't make them wrong or disingenuous any more than asking another human to critique your post would be. And to imply otherwise is, itself, disingenuous and disruptive. The exception would be if you thought there was no human involvement in the account at all, in which case, as another commenter noted, the appropriate thing would be to email the mods.

This was written by AI.

II2II 2y ago

If it takes an AI to display empathy, perhaps we should surrender to the AI overlords.

deleted 2y ago
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throw16180339 2y ago
AI overlords worked pretty well for the Culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_series).

llamaimperative 2y ago

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searealist 2y ago
The overlap of people who use unicode emdash and real dash in the same comment is close to 0%. It also has the obvious cadence and filler words of chatgpt.
- tptacek 2y ago
  Mail hn@ycombinator.com. Don't litigate it on the thread.
  - moralestapia 2y ago
    He's free to do whatever he wants, it's within the guidelines. I also found his comment mildly interesting.
    - tptacek 2y ago
      Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents, and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - kortilla 2y ago
        Sounds like that needs to be updated to include accusations of AI. What a world
- crummy 2y ago
  was the post edited? I don't see any emdashes.
  - searealist 2y ago
    It's still there: —
    - mrlambchop 2y ago
      Sorry - I hate these as well with an intense passion, but ran through grammar checking :(
13_9_7_7_5_18 2y ago
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dang 2y ago

Please don't do this here. Edit: I called this wrong - see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43075184 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43075184. Sorry!

searealist 2y ago
Putting aside the particular accusation that I have raised for a moment, I am curious to understand whether Hacker News (HN) has established any formal, informal, or otherwise broadly accepted community guidelines, rules, policies, or best practices regarding the usage of comments generated with the assistance of artificial intelligence, specifically through ChatGPT or similar AI-driven language models. My inquiry is motivated by the observation that AI-generated text has become increasingly prevalent in online discourse, and different platforms have adopted varying stances on whether such content is acceptable, encouraged, discouraged, or outright prohibited. Some online communities prefer organic, human-generated discussions to preserve authenticity, while others are more permissive, provided that AI-generated responses align with the spirit and intent of meaningful discourse. Thus, within the context of HN’s commenting system, does the platform have an explicit policy, a tacit expectation, or any historical precedent regarding whether AI-assisted comments are permissible? If so, are there any specific constraints, recommendations, or guiding principles that users should adhere to when leveraging AI for participation in discussions? Furthermore, if such a policy exists, is it officially documented within HN’s guidelines, or is it more of an unwritten cultural norm that has evolved over time through community moderation and feedback? I would appreciate any insights on whether this matter has been formally addressed or discussed in past threads, as well as any pointers to relevant resources that shed light on HN’s stance regarding AI-assisted participation.
- tqi 2y ago
  > My inquiry is motivated by the observation that AI-generated text has become increasingly prevalent in online discourse You ever notice that only stuff you disliked is AI?
  - baumy 2y ago

deleted 2y ago

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mrlambchop 2y ago

In the spirit of tech conversations, here was my original input from my history: --- I was swept up in this article and the portrait for Amanda (barrows) - what a unique and strong person - this city is soo lucky to have her. I want to respond that unlike some here, I came away with huge empathy and today's HN snark and frustration bounced off me pretty hard accordingly. The public order issues such as homelessness in the park have impacted me, but more so, how to translate the state of the world to my children. I always remind them that this person was once a little boy / girl and we might be older, but we're still kids inside and nobody dreamt to grow up in this environment. The compassion and my own empathy shown here coupled with the pragmatic approach shown by Amanda washed over me and the policies and bureaucratic inefficiencies that make solutions slow and ineffecient are understandable, but also highly frustrating. The unhoused individuals and their mental state vs the requirements to find a home are very frustrating - the city surely understands the cost of housing policies and is run by highly pragmatic people, but rules are rules and some top down accommodations and medications are needed to help merge this. --- I personally don't see my opinions changed here - I think the posted text is a bit better but also agree on the uncanny valley issue. A little less brain swelling and I would have been all over the small signals :) Personally, I find AI and the derivatives extremely helpful when it comes to communication (a booster for the mind!) and use it all the time when translating into other languages and also removing my northern British dialect from communication over in California.

butter999 2y ago
A lesson to take from this is, "if a post expresses strong opinions, and you believe AI was involved in it's generation, then they probably used AI to edit, not to generate whole cloth." A hallmark of ChatGPT is an unwillingness to take a position, and instead to describe what positions it's possible to take. By the time you've prompted it enough to take a strong position, you've probably crossed into "editing" rather than "generating". You can disagree with someone's view, but editing their words with AI doesn't make them wrong or disingenuous any more than asking another human to critique your post would be. And to imply otherwise is, itself, disingenuous and disruptive. The exception would be if you thought there was no human involvement in the account at all, in which case, as another commenter noted, the appropriate thing would be to email the mods.