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I am making two claims: 1. Not all arguments suffer from misinformation on both sides. 2. The political right uses misinformation as a weapon at a scale that

I am making two claims: 1. Not all arguments suffer from misinformation on both sides. 2. The political right uses misinformation as a weapon at a scale that dwarfs that of the political left. Your single example does not counter that argument.

BurningFrog 2y ago
Do you have an objective way to measure levels of "misinformation as a weapon" that supports claim 2?
grandempire 2y ago
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- zimpenfish 2y ago
  > The political right doesn’t have the same kind of media support. How do you figure that? From what I've seen, most US media leans right[0], if not overtly right-wing. [0] In that they'll hammer the left on every small issue whilst glossing over the more egregious actions of the right.
  - milesrout 2y ago
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    - zimpenfish 2y ago
      > suddenly it is a new problem when Trump does it. Nope. January 29, 2021: "Biden has taken heat from critics over his early reliance on executive action, with Republicans saying it betrays his vow to work with Congress on to build a consensus on issues."[0] February 6, 2014: "Executive Order tyranny -- Obama plans to rule America with pen, phone"[1] November 2, 2011: "Obama uses executive orders as a political tool"[2] February 21, 2001: "The Use and Abuse of Executive Orders and Other Presidential Directives"[3] [0] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-has-signed-40-executive-orders-and-actions-since-taking-office https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-has-signed-40-executi... [1] https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/executive-order-tyranny-obama-plans-to-rule-america-with-pen-phone https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/executive-order-tyranny-obam... [2] https://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/01/politics/obama-executive-orders/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/01/politics/obama-executive-... [3] https://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/the-use-and-abuse-executive-orders-and-other-presidential-directives https://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/the-use-an...
      - grandempire 2y ago
        2 Fox News and a heritage link? The cnn is positive, only including a few negative quotes from republicans.
        drawkward 2y ago
        Just stop. No evidence presented will satisfy you. Right wing misinformation warfare has been going on since at least Rush Limbaugh. The post you are responding to has effectively and accurately rebutted the post it is answering, which claimed that the media complaing about Trump's EOs is a new thing, despite having been done be prior presidents.
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        milesrout 2y ago
        >The post you are responding to has effectively and accurately rebutted the post it is answering Wrong. >which claimed that the media complaing about Trump's EOs is a new thing, despite having been done be prior presidents. Wrong. My complaint was that Trump is held to a double standard on executive orders, and this is true. >Just stop. No evidence presented will satisfy you. Right wing misinformation The irony. Good god. Maybe if you get your head out of your arse and accept you might be wrong on occasion you would see what is obvious to everyone across the planet, that the media holds Trump to a completely different standard. Next thing you will claim that Israel isn't held to a different standard by the UN. Your claim is as obviously ridiculous as that.
        drawkward 2y ago
        You are alleging all sorts of things, and unlike the poster who responded to you, you bring no evidence. Good day, sir.
- Epa095 2y ago
  Is this a joke? Sinclair network. Conservative radio. X.
- aisenik 2y ago
  "The mainstream media is (far) left" is misinformation. You've been successfully inoculated against critical analysis of your media environment.
  - grandempire 2y ago
    Who are you quoting?
    - aisenik 2y ago
      I'm referring to the widespread meme (that predates this use of the word meme) that is prevalent in the USA. It is so frequently repeated in some form, it is practically an article of faith. Notably, it is a major component of Donald Trump's messaging since he became a right-wing political figure. Quote marks are frequently used to delimit text for purposes other than direct attribution to a speaker.
      - grandempire 2y ago
        > Quote marks are frequently used to delimit text for purposes other than direct attribution to a speaker. Ok but directing your comments at quotes means nobody is here to respond.
        drawkward 2y ago
        Yet somehow you continue to respond. Ironic.
        grandempire 2y ago
        Got me. Hey what are you doing here?

BurningFrog 2y ago

Do you have an objective way to measure levels of "misinformation as a weapon" that supports claim 2?

grandempire 2y ago

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zimpenfish 2y ago
> The political right doesn’t have the same kind of media support. How do you figure that? From what I've seen, most US media leans right[0], if not overtly right-wing. [0] In that they'll hammer the left on every small issue whilst glossing over the more egregious actions of the right.
- milesrout 2y ago
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  - zimpenfish 2y ago
    > suddenly it is a new problem when Trump does it. Nope. January 29, 2021: "Biden has taken heat from critics over his early reliance on executive action, with Republicans saying it betrays his vow to work with Congress on to build a consensus on issues."[0] February 6, 2014: "Executive Order tyranny -- Obama plans to rule America with pen, phone"[1] November 2, 2011: "Obama uses executive orders as a political tool"[2] February 21, 2001: "The Use and Abuse of Executive Orders and Other Presidential Directives"[3] [0] https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-has-signed-40-executive-orders-and-actions-since-taking-office https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-has-signed-40-executi... [1] https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/executive-order-tyranny-obama-plans-to-rule-america-with-pen-phone https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/executive-order-tyranny-obam... [2] https://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/01/politics/obama-executive-orders/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/01/politics/obama-executive-... [3] https://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/the-use-and-abuse-executive-orders-and-other-presidential-directives https://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/the-use-an...
    - grandempire 2y ago
      2 Fox News and a heritage link? The cnn is positive, only including a few negative quotes from republicans.
      - drawkward 2y ago
        Just stop. No evidence presented will satisfy you. Right wing misinformation warfare has been going on since at least Rush Limbaugh. The post you are responding to has effectively and accurately rebutted the post it is answering, which claimed that the media complaing about Trump's EOs is a new thing, despite having been done be prior presidents.
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        milesrout 2y ago
        >The post you are responding to has effectively and accurately rebutted the post it is answering Wrong. >which claimed that the media complaing about Trump's EOs is a new thing, despite having been done be prior presidents. Wrong. My complaint was that Trump is held to a double standard on executive orders, and this is true. >Just stop. No evidence presented will satisfy you. Right wing misinformation The irony. Good god. Maybe if you get your head out of your arse and accept you might be wrong on occasion you would see what is obvious to everyone across the planet, that the media holds Trump to a completely different standard. Next thing you will claim that Israel isn't held to a different standard by the UN. Your claim is as obviously ridiculous as that.
        drawkward 2y ago
        You are alleging all sorts of things, and unlike the poster who responded to you, you bring no evidence. Good day, sir.
Epa095 2y ago
Is this a joke? Sinclair network. Conservative radio. X.
aisenik 2y ago
"The mainstream media is (far) left" is misinformation. You've been successfully inoculated against critical analysis of your media environment.
- grandempire 2y ago
  Who are you quoting?
  - aisenik 2y ago
    I'm referring to the widespread meme (that predates this use of the word meme) that is prevalent in the USA. It is so frequently repeated in some form, it is practically an article of faith. Notably, it is a major component of Donald Trump's messaging since he became a right-wing political figure. Quote marks are frequently used to delimit text for purposes other than direct attribution to a speaker.
    - grandempire 2y ago
      > Quote marks are frequently used to delimit text for purposes other than direct attribution to a speaker. Ok but directing your comments at quotes means nobody is here to respond.
      - drawkward 2y ago
        Yet somehow you continue to respond. Ironic.
        grandempire 2y ago
        Got me. Hey what are you doing here?