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Have you per chance looked at the people that make up this party?

zdw 2y ago
The Republicans, for all their whinging over the debt when they're not in power and using it to give the Democrats temporary black eyes, are highly unlikely to do anything that directly endangers big business profits or the stock market going up. Defaulting on the debt has no upside for them now, so probably won't happen.
- dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago
  Seriously, have a look at some of the people involved. They are waaaay out there. The GOP don't have a majority that support either the budget or extending the debt ceiling. Dems should let them stew and make various demands in exchange for their vote, as the GOP has done to them.
  - analog31 2y ago
    I think the D's are justified in saying that there's too much uncertainty right now to allow funding to be passed through the continuing resolution process. The R's remain welcome to articulate their plans in the form of a budget, that is debated via the regular appropriations process.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > R's remain welcome to articulate their plans in the form of a budget, that is debated via the regular appropriations process Reconciliation is a Senate parliamentary procedure [1]. Thune could just (a) fire parliamentarians until one agrees with Trump or (b) revise the rules with a party-line vote. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_...
      - lovich 2y ago
        People forget that the Senate Parliamentarian only stops Democratic maneuvers
- forgetfreeman 2y ago
  They kicked a bunch of subsidies out from under big AG in their first month in office and the AG lobby is the absolute bedrock of the party. Your assumptions are no longer safe.
- kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
  They've been in control of Congress for most of the period since 1994. They are the ones primarily responsible for running up the massive spending deficits.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Republicans, for all their whinging over the debt when they're not in power and using it to give the Democrats temporary black eyes, are highly unlikely to do anything that directly endangers big business profits Literally the last time these clowns were in power [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_United_States_federal_government_shutdown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_United_State...
  - rafram 2y ago
    But did we default? No, and we won’t now.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > did we default? No, and we won’t now I agree that default is a remote possibility. But the reason isn't Congressional Republicans will avoid shooting themselves in the foot.
- __MatrixMan__ 2y ago
  It's not the republicans, but a cadre of crypto bros, who are in power. They stand to gain a lot from the destruction of the dollar.
  - 7thaccount 2y ago
    Not sure why you're being down voted here. Silicon Valley folks like Thiel, Vance, and Musk are all huge libertarians who want to burn the current system down. It is not the traditional Republican crowd of the past. They share name only.
    - schmidtleonard 2y ago
      They don't share the name, they took the name. It's theirs now. Not yours. Look, I get it, I too wish it hadn't happened, but it did, it's reality now, and I'm not hearing a good reason to deny reality.
      - 7thaccount 2y ago
        Not sure I understand. There are three main groups of Republicans now. The first are the traditional neocons like Mitch McConnell. The second are the evangelicals and the third are the libertarian tech bros. They literally share the same party and collaborate, but have different end goals. For example, group two wants to return to the 1950s or enact christian nationalism, while group three wants the nation to be run like a corporation with a board of directors having ultimate power. The latter two groups don't care about the constitution at all.
      - __MatrixMan__ 2y ago
        Suppose that now is the time for the part of the agenda that will upset the democrats--to keep those people formerly known as republicans from getting too antsy. Later on, we'll see the other half of that agenda. At that time, when those formerly known as rebpulicans are angry about being misrepresented, are you going to tell them that they're not real republicans because they voted for a narcissist who was flattered into turning the wheel over to people with contradictory goals, and now "republican" means something that they have no control over? That's absurd. A party is a party insofar as it represents the will of its constituents, coups not withstanding.
- rat87 2y ago
  > are highly unlikely to do anything that directly endangers big business profits or the stock market going up. Like picking Trump? It seems like the president is the biggest risk of overturning the board for no logical reason
- pjc50 2y ago
  > The Republicans, for all their whinging over the debt when they're not in power and using it to give the Democrats temporary black eyes, are highly unlikely to do anything that directly endangers big business profits or the stock market going up. Everyone said that about the UK Conservatives until the Liz Truss budget. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2022_United_Kingdom_mini-budget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2022_United_Kingdom_... Fortunately the UK has extremely efficient systems for removing people who fuck up the money. She was the shortest serving PM and removed on her fiftieth day in office. The US is stuck with its current government until at least the midterms.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    I mean, if there was a Truss-type response from the markets, I suspect the congressional Republicans might actually act to put Trump back in his box to some extent.
  - seanw444 2y ago
    > Fortunately the UK has mechanisms to circumvent elected officials via the monetary system.

zdw 2y ago

The Republicans, for all their whinging over the debt when they're not in power and using it to give the Democrats temporary black eyes, are highly unlikely to do anything that directly endangers big business profits or the stock market going up. Defaulting on the debt has no upside for them now, so probably won't happen.

dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago
Seriously, have a look at some of the people involved. They are waaaay out there. The GOP don't have a majority that support either the budget or extending the debt ceiling. Dems should let them stew and make various demands in exchange for their vote, as the GOP has done to them.
- analog31 2y ago
  I think the D's are justified in saying that there's too much uncertainty right now to allow funding to be passed through the continuing resolution process. The R's remain welcome to articulate their plans in the form of a budget, that is debated via the regular appropriations process.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > R's remain welcome to articulate their plans in the form of a budget, that is debated via the regular appropriations process Reconciliation is a Senate parliamentary procedure [1]. Thune could just (a) fire parliamentarians until one agrees with Trump or (b) revise the rules with a party-line vote. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_...
    - lovich 2y ago
      People forget that the Senate Parliamentarian only stops Democratic maneuvers
forgetfreeman 2y ago
They kicked a bunch of subsidies out from under big AG in their first month in office and the AG lobby is the absolute bedrock of the party. Your assumptions are no longer safe.
kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
They've been in control of Congress for most of the period since 1994. They are the ones primarily responsible for running up the massive spending deficits.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Republicans, for all their whinging over the debt when they're not in power and using it to give the Democrats temporary black eyes, are highly unlikely to do anything that directly endangers big business profits Literally the last time these clowns were in power [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_United_States_federal_government_shutdown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_United_State...
- rafram 2y ago
  But did we default? No, and we won’t now.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > did we default? No, and we won’t now I agree that default is a remote possibility. But the reason isn't Congressional Republicans will avoid shooting themselves in the foot.
__MatrixMan__ 2y ago
It's not the republicans, but a cadre of crypto bros, who are in power. They stand to gain a lot from the destruction of the dollar.
- 7thaccount 2y ago
  Not sure why you're being down voted here. Silicon Valley folks like Thiel, Vance, and Musk are all huge libertarians who want to burn the current system down. It is not the traditional Republican crowd of the past. They share name only.
  - schmidtleonard 2y ago
    They don't share the name, they took the name. It's theirs now. Not yours. Look, I get it, I too wish it hadn't happened, but it did, it's reality now, and I'm not hearing a good reason to deny reality.
    - 7thaccount 2y ago
      Not sure I understand. There are three main groups of Republicans now. The first are the traditional neocons like Mitch McConnell. The second are the evangelicals and the third are the libertarian tech bros. They literally share the same party and collaborate, but have different end goals. For example, group two wants to return to the 1950s or enact christian nationalism, while group three wants the nation to be run like a corporation with a board of directors having ultimate power. The latter two groups don't care about the constitution at all.
    - __MatrixMan__ 2y ago
      Suppose that now is the time for the part of the agenda that will upset the democrats--to keep those people formerly known as republicans from getting too antsy. Later on, we'll see the other half of that agenda. At that time, when those formerly known as rebpulicans are angry about being misrepresented, are you going to tell them that they're not real republicans because they voted for a narcissist who was flattered into turning the wheel over to people with contradictory goals, and now "republican" means something that they have no control over? That's absurd. A party is a party insofar as it represents the will of its constituents, coups not withstanding.
rat87 2y ago
> are highly unlikely to do anything that directly endangers big business profits or the stock market going up. Like picking Trump? It seems like the president is the biggest risk of overturning the board for no logical reason
pjc50 2y ago
> The Republicans, for all their whinging over the debt when they're not in power and using it to give the Democrats temporary black eyes, are highly unlikely to do anything that directly endangers big business profits or the stock market going up. Everyone said that about the UK Conservatives until the Liz Truss budget. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2022_United_Kingdom_mini-budget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2022_United_Kingdom_... Fortunately the UK has extremely efficient systems for removing people who fuck up the money. She was the shortest serving PM and removed on her fiftieth day in office. The US is stuck with its current government until at least the midterms.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  I mean, if there was a Truss-type response from the markets, I suspect the congressional Republicans might actually act to put Trump back in his box to some extent.
- seanw444 2y ago
  > Fortunately the UK has mechanisms to circumvent elected officials via the monetary system.