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DEI did feel a lot like paying off debt by getting a new credit card. Equal competition doesn’t mean equal footing though. We will eventually need something to

DEI did feel a lot like paying off debt by getting a new credit card. Equal competition doesn’t mean equal footing though. We will eventually need something to replace it and I hope that doesn’t go worse.

Aachen 2y ago
Does it? My "I just want the best for everyone" side likes to think being consciously and explicitly open to all candidates, having a women's day on stereotypical men's jobs, quotas, etc., makes things better because you get more perspectives in your org. Your business/government is more likely to cater to the whole population if it's lead by a reflection of the whole population and all that. But I don't actually know if anyone ran the numbers on that. You seem to suggest it's like taking on debt — is it? I'd be interested. As I do want the best for everyone, if my intuition is wrong then that's also useful to know about and adjust my opinion on
- ivewonyoung 2y ago
  A good read https://www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/the-full-story-of-the-faas-hiring https://www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/the-full-story-of-the-fa...
  - Aachen 2y ago
    Article's title: "The Full Story of the FAA's Hiring Scandal" Saving others a click: it's an n=1
    - ivewonyoung 2y ago
      Huh, how is it an n=1 ? It affected a lot of folks that they're trying to gather in a class action.
      - Aachen 2y ago
        One plane crash is also n=1 for whether the maintenance interval of the element that failed should increase, not n=num_victims, since there's only one aircraft that failed after all. Here, it's one organisation I'm not asking for data points to do a study into individual companies applying their policies and compiling anecdotal results to do statistical or qualitative tests on all by myself in spare time when there's people being paid to do this properly. I was wondering if someone knew if the evidence has already been compiled and we know the overall effect, rather than stories which are surely plenty on both sides (assuming we agree that racism and other biases are not legitimate selection reasons, thus there being a reason to push against them). The question is: where is the balance? What policy creates the greatest median happiness in the population, all else being equal? This isn't trivial to determine, I can't do that by myself in an afternoon based on a few news reports of individual cases
- pitched 2y ago
  Just to be a bit more clear, this was more a Chesterton Fence comment than a condemnation. Everything has trade-offs and I hope our next solution to this problem is better, not worse.

Aachen 2y ago

Does it? My "I just want the best for everyone" side likes to think being consciously and explicitly open to all candidates, having a women's day on stereotypical men's jobs, quotas, etc., makes things better because you get more perspectives in your org. Your business/government is more likely to cater to the whole population if it's lead by a reflection of the whole population and all that. But I don't actually know if anyone ran the numbers on that. You seem to suggest it's like taking on debt — is it? I'd be interested. As I do want the best for everyone, if my intuition is wrong then that's also useful to know about and adjust my opinion on

ivewonyoung 2y ago
A good read https://www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/the-full-story-of-the-faas-hiring https://www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/the-full-story-of-the-fa...
- Aachen 2y ago
  Article's title: "The Full Story of the FAA's Hiring Scandal" Saving others a click: it's an n=1
  - ivewonyoung 2y ago
    Huh, how is it an n=1 ? It affected a lot of folks that they're trying to gather in a class action.
    - Aachen 2y ago
      One plane crash is also n=1 for whether the maintenance interval of the element that failed should increase, not n=num_victims, since there's only one aircraft that failed after all. Here, it's one organisation I'm not asking for data points to do a study into individual companies applying their policies and compiling anecdotal results to do statistical or qualitative tests on all by myself in spare time when there's people being paid to do this properly. I was wondering if someone knew if the evidence has already been compiled and we know the overall effect, rather than stories which are surely plenty on both sides (assuming we agree that racism and other biases are not legitimate selection reasons, thus there being a reason to push against them). The question is: where is the balance? What policy creates the greatest median happiness in the population, all else being equal? This isn't trivial to determine, I can't do that by myself in an afternoon based on a few news reports of individual cases
pitched 2y ago
Just to be a bit more clear, this was more a Chesterton Fence comment than a condemnation. Everything has trade-offs and I hope our next solution to this problem is better, not worse.