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There was a zero chance the company with the best AI LLM models would not get involved in weaponization, willingly or not. DAI is going to be one of the first

There was a zero chance the company with the best AI LLM models would not get involved in weaponization, willingly or not. DAI is going to be one of the first things the next administration brings back, mark my words. Saying it's discriminatory is like saying affirmative action is discriminatory

whimsicalism 2y ago
my guess is any new administration would realize it’s a massive political loser. i’m personally in favor of some limited AA in unis, but if even black people are majority against AA when polled… it’s definitely not coming back. might be that this changes once minority groups realize how much of an impact it was actually having, i think a large segment of people convinced themselves that a lot more of these admissions were by pure merit than is supported by the data.
- Aachen 2y ago
  What's an aa? I get American Airlines when I duck it and I know of libaa but that doesn't fit the context either
  - whimsicalism 2y ago
    affirmative action. you can also generally just copy and paste into chatgpt and it will be able to answer your question
    - Aachen 2y ago
      (And burn a tree in the process as compared to a human answer) Thanks for clarifying!
      - whimsicalism 2y ago
        a chatgpt query is like 10x a google query (before they added LLM summary), you’d have more impact cutting out meat or taking fewer flights
        Aachen 2y ago
        > you’d have more impact cutting out meat or taking fewer flights Guess what! This and more... You're telling the wrong person to do good in the world xD Anyway, upvoted because you are of course right
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causality0 2y ago
Affirmative action is discriminatory. It is literally discriminating between different people based on sex, race, religion, or gender identity. You can argue it's good discrimination, but it is by definition discrimination.
- AlecSchueler 2y ago
  But its absence demonstrably leads to discrimination based on the same things through subconscious bias. At least with it in place you get fairer spread of people being affected.
  - raxxorraxor 2y ago
    If you want to discriminate for the greater good, you elevate yourself above others. The only thing you could do is to take a step back yourself instead of forcing others to do so. If you cannot restrict yourself to that, you are as bad as those that discriminate without further reflection.
    - AlecSchueler 2y ago
      If you don't "discriminate for the greater good" (your phrasing, not mine) and you are part of the dominant group who benefits from not doing so then you also elevate yourself above others. That is not a morally superior choice. Personally I do take that step back. I would consider myself a violent person if I did not. I look around and I see my peers choosing not to work towards dismantling the systems that privelege themselves and I consider their inaction a form of violence against people who are already struggling. I am not American so I can't speak for the culture there but in my society there is a general acceptance of using collective power to limit the violence of individuals, and even more so when there is such an evident power disparity.
      - raxxorraxor 2y ago
        > That is not a morally superior choice. No, it would not be morally superior and it is commendable if you do take a step back. But to remove discrimination you have to leave others to make their choice too. > I consider their inaction a form of violence against people who are already struggling. To help people in need, you do not have to put them in groups first. This grouping is already discrimination. I would say literally, but the term is a bit overused. But the good thing is that you never need discrimination to alleviate injustices. Any argument for social security policies and everything that remotely fits under that umbrella does not need discrimination. In fact it would work much better without it or using discrimination as a justification. It even undermines the argument for it.
TinkersW 2y ago
California banned affirmative action in 1996 precisely because it is discriminatory. I can only hope the dems are smart enough to drop DEI for good, I don't think Trump is healthy for the US.
- ThrowawayR2 2y ago
  A recent Gallup poll has reported that "...Support for a more moderate Democratic Party among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents has grown by 11 percentage points, to 45%, since 2021..." so the Democrats seem to be headed in that direction. https://news.gallup.com/poll/656636/democrats-favor-party-moderation-past.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/656636/democrats-favor-party-mo...
xiphias2 2y ago
DEI got an extreme level of support from NGOs even while Trump was the president that they won't have at the next election. I hope they can renew themselves. The good news on the left side though that I don't think the next candidate could be worse than Kamala Harris.

whimsicalism 2y ago

my guess is any new administration would realize it’s a massive political loser. i’m personally in favor of some limited AA in unis, but if even black people are majority against AA when polled… it’s definitely not coming back. might be that this changes once minority groups realize how much of an impact it was actually having, i think a large segment of people convinced themselves that a lot more of these admissions were by pure merit than is supported by the data.

Aachen 2y ago
What's an aa? I get American Airlines when I duck it and I know of libaa but that doesn't fit the context either
- whimsicalism 2y ago
  affirmative action. you can also generally just copy and paste into chatgpt and it will be able to answer your question
  - Aachen 2y ago
    (And burn a tree in the process as compared to a human answer) Thanks for clarifying!
    - whimsicalism 2y ago
      a chatgpt query is like 10x a google query (before they added LLM summary), you’d have more impact cutting out meat or taking fewer flights
      - Aachen 2y ago
        > you’d have more impact cutting out meat or taking fewer flights Guess what! This and more... You're telling the wrong person to do good in the world xD Anyway, upvoted because you are of course right
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causality0 2y ago

Affirmative action is discriminatory. It is literally discriminating between different people based on sex, race, religion, or gender identity. You can argue it's good discrimination, but it is by definition discrimination.

AlecSchueler 2y ago
But its absence demonstrably leads to discrimination based on the same things through subconscious bias. At least with it in place you get fairer spread of people being affected.
- raxxorraxor 2y ago
  If you want to discriminate for the greater good, you elevate yourself above others. The only thing you could do is to take a step back yourself instead of forcing others to do so. If you cannot restrict yourself to that, you are as bad as those that discriminate without further reflection.
  - AlecSchueler 2y ago
    If you don't "discriminate for the greater good" (your phrasing, not mine) and you are part of the dominant group who benefits from not doing so then you also elevate yourself above others. That is not a morally superior choice. Personally I do take that step back. I would consider myself a violent person if I did not. I look around and I see my peers choosing not to work towards dismantling the systems that privelege themselves and I consider their inaction a form of violence against people who are already struggling. I am not American so I can't speak for the culture there but in my society there is a general acceptance of using collective power to limit the violence of individuals, and even more so when there is such an evident power disparity.
    - raxxorraxor 2y ago
      > That is not a morally superior choice. No, it would not be morally superior and it is commendable if you do take a step back. But to remove discrimination you have to leave others to make their choice too. > I consider their inaction a form of violence against people who are already struggling. To help people in need, you do not have to put them in groups first. This grouping is already discrimination. I would say literally, but the term is a bit overused. But the good thing is that you never need discrimination to alleviate injustices. Any argument for social security policies and everything that remotely fits under that umbrella does not need discrimination. In fact it would work much better without it or using discrimination as a justification. It even undermines the argument for it.

TinkersW 2y ago

California banned affirmative action in 1996 precisely because it is discriminatory. I can only hope the dems are smart enough to drop DEI for good, I don't think Trump is healthy for the US.

ThrowawayR2 2y ago
A recent Gallup poll has reported that "...Support for a more moderate Democratic Party among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents has grown by 11 percentage points, to 45%, since 2021..." so the Democrats seem to be headed in that direction. https://news.gallup.com/poll/656636/democrats-favor-party-moderation-past.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/656636/democrats-favor-party-mo...

xiphias2 2y ago

DEI got an extreme level of support from NGOs even while Trump was the president that they won't have at the next election. I hope they can renew themselves. The good news on the left side though that I don't think the next candidate could be worse than Kamala Harris.