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In ten years this will be as quaint as a blocklist for music that uses samplers would have been in 1980. Not to say there’s no value today; most pure AI music

In ten years this will be as quaint as a blocklist for music that uses samplers would have been in 1980. Not to say there’s no value today; most pure AI music is terrible and I don’t want to listen to it. But that’s a very temporary state of affairs.

jsheard 2y ago
This isn't even really about the merits of AI music as a whole, it's about the vast majority of these channels being the music equivalent of blogspam. They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue by mass producing SEO-optimized content slurry. I picked out a few random channels from this blocklist and some of them are posting new 2-3 hour compilations every day. The person running the channel is probably barely even listening to the tracks before before uploading them, assuming they're listened to at all, the whole process could well be completely automated.
- visarga 2y ago
  > They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue by mass producing SEO optimized content slurry. This sad situation was caused by internet. It made it possible for us to have unlimited art, writing and video to "consume" so any new work has to compete with a backcatalog spanning decades. This makes royalty revenues tank, so creatives moved to ad based revenue. This caused the attention scarcity situation where we are right now, and enshittification is the outcome. It all started long ago when AI wasn't even a blip. But fortunately AI can clean up web content, so I hope we can distill the good parts and get high quality back. But I don't expect Google or Meta or X to do it for us. We need to power this revolution with local models.
- hexage1814 2y ago
  >it's about the vast majority of these channels being the music equivalent of blogspam. They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue Honestly, you could say the same about Marvel movies made by humans.
  - akkad33 2y ago
    And they should be blocked too.
MyOutfitIsVague 2y ago
It's more like a blocklist for the demo programs from samplers.
- brookst 2y ago
  Excellent refinement. Gods, remember how amazing those programs were technically, and at the same time how incredibly boring they were as music?
- psytrancefan 2y ago
  You also didn't have "sampler music". People did creative things with samplers but people didn't seek out music based on the sampler. As mentioned, current AI music is listening to recordings of Muzak like what they use to play in elevators and at Dennys. I would say the progress in AI music is basically non-existent. Ironically, MusicLM can make some very unique and interesting sample material. The more popular models though are just slop.
_DeadFred_ 2y ago
It's more like not listening to 'elevator music' covers back then.

jsheard 2y ago

This isn't even really about the merits of AI music as a whole, it's about the vast majority of these channels being the music equivalent of blogspam. They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue by mass producing SEO-optimized content slurry. I picked out a few random channels from this blocklist and some of them are posting new 2-3 hour compilations every day. The person running the channel is probably barely even listening to the tracks before before uploading them, assuming they're listened to at all, the whole process could well be completely automated.

visarga 2y ago
> They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue by mass producing SEO optimized content slurry. This sad situation was caused by internet. It made it possible for us to have unlimited art, writing and video to "consume" so any new work has to compete with a backcatalog spanning decades. This makes royalty revenues tank, so creatives moved to ad based revenue. This caused the attention scarcity situation where we are right now, and enshittification is the outcome. It all started long ago when AI wasn't even a blip. But fortunately AI can clean up web content, so I hope we can distill the good parts and get high quality back. But I don't expect Google or Meta or X to do it for us. We need to power this revolution with local models.
hexage1814 2y ago
>it's about the vast majority of these channels being the music equivalent of blogspam. They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue Honestly, you could say the same about Marvel movies made by humans.
- akkad33 2y ago
  And they should be blocked too.

MyOutfitIsVague 2y ago

It's more like a blocklist for the demo programs from samplers.

brookst 2y ago
Excellent refinement. Gods, remember how amazing those programs were technically, and at the same time how incredibly boring they were as music?
psytrancefan 2y ago
You also didn't have "sampler music". People did creative things with samplers but people didn't seek out music based on the sampler. As mentioned, current AI music is listening to recordings of Muzak like what they use to play in elevators and at Dennys. I would say the progress in AI music is basically non-existent. Ironically, MusicLM can make some very unique and interesting sample material. The more popular models though are just slop.

_DeadFred_ 2y ago

It's more like not listening to 'elevator music' covers back then.