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It had a steeper learning curve than other languages or environments but that was for a reason. You got a lot in return. And those lightweight editors and envir

It had a steeper learning curve than other languages or environments but that was for a reason. You got a lot in return. And those lightweight editors and environments are like that because they don't do very much. And talk not to me about lightweight. I'm currently on Day 4 of setting up a Python environment in VsCode that doesn't suck. I'm nearly there though it's still a bit inferior to a 20 year old JBuilder install for Java but I guess it needs a few more years to get there. Oh and as I said, I'm on a long quest here to pave the road for my devs but it looks like this hodgepodge of extensions still won't deliver the experience I had decades ago.

MrMcCall 2y ago
Isn't using VsCode for a non-Microsoft language going to be difficult, by (MS's) design? I'm not saying it can't/hasn't be/been done, but I doubt MS are making it easier to do so. It's been their m.o. for a long time now. I'm also not saying there's a better option for you and your team, either, my friend. As a python programmer using bare-bones vim (on purpose), having abandoned all fancy IDEs, I really wouldn't know where the state of the art is, anyway, but I doubt the MS leopard has changed its spots.
- surfaceofthesun 2y ago
  This feels true for other Microsoft products, but not VSCode. Besides, they embedded Python into Excel (for 365 users) over Typescript or C#.
  - MrMcCall 2y ago
    Interesting. Embrace & extend complete ;-) This time it looks like 'integrate' will be the third step. Thanks for the great info.
- dagw 2y ago
  Isn't using VsCode for a non-Microsoft language going to be difficult Python is pretty close to a 'Microsoft language' these days. They've hired several Python core developers to make sure windows is first class citizen for python and the developing python on windows and with VSCode is as good an experience as possible. They also develop the official VS Code Python extension and language server as well as many other python tools and extensions. I'd say the current state-of-the-art is either VSCode with the Microsoft python extensions or Jetbrain's PyCharm. Personally I slightly prefer PyCharm Pro, but it's pretty much a toss up.
  - MrMcCall 2y ago
    Thanks for excellent breakdown.

MrMcCall 2y ago

Isn't using VsCode for a non-Microsoft language going to be difficult, by (MS's) design? I'm not saying it can't/hasn't be/been done, but I doubt MS are making it easier to do so. It's been their m.o. for a long time now. I'm also not saying there's a better option for you and your team, either, my friend. As a python programmer using bare-bones vim (on purpose), having abandoned all fancy IDEs, I really wouldn't know where the state of the art is, anyway, but I doubt the MS leopard has changed its spots.

surfaceofthesun 2y ago
This feels true for other Microsoft products, but not VSCode. Besides, they embedded Python into Excel (for 365 users) over Typescript or C#.
- MrMcCall 2y ago
  Interesting. Embrace & extend complete ;-) This time it looks like 'integrate' will be the third step. Thanks for the great info.
dagw 2y ago
Isn't using VsCode for a non-Microsoft language going to be difficult Python is pretty close to a 'Microsoft language' these days. They've hired several Python core developers to make sure windows is first class citizen for python and the developing python on windows and with VSCode is as good an experience as possible. They also develop the official VS Code Python extension and language server as well as many other python tools and extensions. I'd say the current state-of-the-art is either VSCode with the Microsoft python extensions or Jetbrain's PyCharm. Personally I slightly prefer PyCharm Pro, but it's pretty much a toss up.
- MrMcCall 2y ago
  Thanks for excellent breakdown.