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You seem surprised at the notion of workers wanting maximum pay, perks and autonomy in exchange for minimum discomfort. How is it any different in any other occ
by david-gpu 2y ago
You seem surprised at the notion of workers wanting maximum pay, perks and autonomy in exchange for minimum discomfort. How is it any different in any other occupation?
- milesrout 2y agoNobody in any other occupation expects not to be managed or measured, not to need to meet with their coworkers to discuss their work, not to need to evaluate prospective hires, or not to be expected to to give estimates, timeframes and deadlines for their work. Programmers commonly express all of those and more on this website and it isn't considered unusual or even particularly demanding. It is treated as a truism that you can't possibly expect a programmer to tell you how long a project will take, for example. This has nothing to do with people wanting "minimum discomfort". It is about crazy and obviously unrealistic expectations of work structure, where people are never expected to ever do anything, being promoted as some kind of baseline work environment. There will never be a serious business that does those things. It is impossible to run a business if you pay staff but: - cannot evaluate their quality before hiring them - cannot measure their work - cannot get an estimate out of them - cannot set them deadlines - cannot talk to them - cannot get them into the office - cannot talk to them in groups - cannot evaluate them over time - cannot lay then off etc. It is different from other occupations because nobody outside the HN/reddit bubble thinks any of this let alone all of it.
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- patrick451 2y agoSoftware devs are not alone here. Have you ever tried asking a doctor how much something will cost? Or if the thing they want to bill you for will even work? They have no fvkin clue.
- the_cat_kittles 2y agocan you please listen to yourself? this is babys first day managing software dev level observation. "there will never be a serious business that does those things" ok, i guess well ignore the entire industry then
- milesrout 2y agoBut the industry DOES all of those things. That is what people are stupidly complaining about. People aren't complaining about meetings or job interviews or being expected to turn up at the office because of the theoretical possibility they will happen but because they do actually happen.
- the_cat_kittles 2y agoask yourself: "why am i angry about this?"
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