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So is Go, and so is Python. The LLM craze shifted the focus from JS to Python a while back, and I’m all for it. That doesn’t mean I’m under the delusion that J

So is Go, and so is Python. The LLM craze shifted the focus from JS to Python a while back, and I’m all for it. That doesn’t mean I’m under the delusion that JS is going away anytime soon; at least from the FE. But its monopoly on the web took a big hit—and rightfully so. JS is a terrible language, and people who only know that one language will fight tooth and nail with anyone who opposes them. This gave birth to the awful trend of using JS in the backend. I understand that sometimes JS is the only option for frontend work, but keep that junk out of my sysarch. There are better languages your backend can benefit from—Go, Rust, Zig, Kotlin, Python—anything but JS/TS. I’m glad the industry has learned from its mistakes. I’m seeing far fewer Node.js backend jobs and a lot more Python, Go, Rust, and C# roles.

askonomm 2y ago
Jobs are regional. Here in Estonia I see a lot more Node.js jobs YoY, very few Python gigs, zero Rust jobs, and very few C# jobs. Heck, PHP has more jobs than C#. Node/JS seems to compete with Java here for job popularity, according to local job boards, and most Java jobs also require Node.js/JS knowledge.
- rednafi 2y ago
  Europe is always playing catch-up with the US. Even so, the number of Node.js backend jobs has declined in both Berlin and Amsterdam. I’m also seeing a ton of Java, C#, and Go jobs in London. At my workplace, Wolt/DoorDash, all new services are being spun up in Go, where Node.js used to be the default. Plus, LLMs have gotten really good at Node.js and Python, driving backend salaries down quite a bit. In this age, being a one-trick pony just won’t cut it anymore.
  - askonomm 2y ago
    Getting kind of tired of this Europe vs US trope. Europe is a huge place with each country having a rather unique economy, making a blanket statement like you just did entirely ignores that, and where does this constant need to compare one place on the planet with another place comes from? I don't live my life comparing everything about my country with another country, do you? Development trends themselves tend to also be cyclical. As for LLM's, from what I see the languages that LLM's are most often used for are those with the lower barrier to entry / and those that UNI's and bootcamps teach, which would very much also include Java. However, what I see is actually my salary going up as the average candidate quality has been also decreasing, almost in correlation with the usage of LLM's. So while maybe the junior/mid-level salary goes down, the senior salary, in my observations, has not. And I keep hearing from companies how finding actually capable developers has become harder and harder, so I expect my salary to only go up. Now, of course, being a one trick pony has never been a good thing, I agree on that (did you assume that I'm a just JS dev?), but I was just answering to your original comment.
wiseowise 2y ago
> This gave birth to the awful trend of using JS in the backend. Right, famous developer Ryan Dahl who knows only one language.

askonomm 2y ago

Jobs are regional. Here in Estonia I see a lot more Node.js jobs YoY, very few Python gigs, zero Rust jobs, and very few C# jobs. Heck, PHP has more jobs than C#. Node/JS seems to compete with Java here for job popularity, according to local job boards, and most Java jobs also require Node.js/JS knowledge.

rednafi 2y ago
Europe is always playing catch-up with the US. Even so, the number of Node.js backend jobs has declined in both Berlin and Amsterdam. I’m also seeing a ton of Java, C#, and Go jobs in London. At my workplace, Wolt/DoorDash, all new services are being spun up in Go, where Node.js used to be the default. Plus, LLMs have gotten really good at Node.js and Python, driving backend salaries down quite a bit. In this age, being a one-trick pony just won’t cut it anymore.
- askonomm 2y ago
  Getting kind of tired of this Europe vs US trope. Europe is a huge place with each country having a rather unique economy, making a blanket statement like you just did entirely ignores that, and where does this constant need to compare one place on the planet with another place comes from? I don't live my life comparing everything about my country with another country, do you? Development trends themselves tend to also be cyclical. As for LLM's, from what I see the languages that LLM's are most often used for are those with the lower barrier to entry / and those that UNI's and bootcamps teach, which would very much also include Java. However, what I see is actually my salary going up as the average candidate quality has been also decreasing, almost in correlation with the usage of LLM's. So while maybe the junior/mid-level salary goes down, the senior salary, in my observations, has not. And I keep hearing from companies how finding actually capable developers has become harder and harder, so I expect my salary to only go up. Now, of course, being a one trick pony has never been a good thing, I agree on that (did you assume that I'm a just JS dev?), but I was just answering to your original comment.

wiseowise 2y ago

> This gave birth to the awful trend of using JS in the backend. Right, famous developer Ryan Dahl who knows only one language.