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Blocklist for AI Music on YouTube

96 points by jsheard 2y ago

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wenbin 2y ago
If you manage to curate a large enough collection of AI-generated playlists, would you consider putting it on Kaggle? This way, others could use it to train AI models to automatically detect AI-generated music. We did something similar by sharing a dataset of around 7,000 AI-generated fake podcasts on Kaggle: https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/listennotes/ai-generated-fake-podcasts-spams https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/listennotes/ai-generated-fak...
- aizk 2y ago
  This is amazing and I think deserves a thread of its own.
  - greymalik 2y ago
    Done! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43073579 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43073579
voidfunc 2y ago
I've been a big fan of AI music for background noise while coding
- JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago
  Try this for coding: https://musicforprogramming.net/ https://musicforprogramming.net/ Some artists have their SoundCloud or Bandcamp account in the links.
- Okx 2y ago
  soma fm has some good online radio stations: https://somafm.com/ https://somafm.com/ (and shows you the track and artist)
- petercooper 2y ago
  Same, though by surprise. I've been generating a very specific uncommon genre of music on Suno (a sort of Slavic accordion drum'n'bass - a totally random idea I had one day) and found myself listening to it more than I anticipated. I dislike most of Suno's vocal output but the instrumentals can be quite good especially in unusual fusions of genres.
  - zeven7 2y ago
    > sort of Slavic accordion drum'n'bass Interesting. Do you have an example?
    - petercooper 2y ago
      Largely no, but I did upload one of the very first ones I generated at the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP5eOdyRhYw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP5eOdyRhYw – For some reason I find this sort of thing good background music, though suspect most would not! I quite like music with uncommon modes and weird scales and Suno isn't too bad at emulating this - especially with Arabic music (e.g. "swirling dramatic orchestral arabic music with oud guitar" will yield many good, if stereotypical, results). I'm not familiar enough with traditional regional music to pick out all the flaws so it works for me, but a "local" would probably say it sounds unrealistic in the same way that Suno-generated typical Western pop and rock sounds off to my ears.
      - orloffm 2y ago
        That's interesting, but my brain can't stop thinking that it's impossible to play the instrument that fast and precisely. Plus, it clearly feels somehow that it was created to mimic the actual live performance of some sort. I guess this "suspension of disbelief" kind of thing is easy for some, but triggers something deeply unpleasant for others.
        petercooper 2y ago
        Oh, there's real music that's as scatty and uptempo as this from the region! My gateway to it was encountering a Romanian/Serbian musician called Benny Sarbu on YouTube who plays really fast accordion and synth pieces like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plmVGVUFUJw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plmVGVUFUJw .. his sound basically inspired my prompting. I wanted something that sounded like what he's playing but with drums.
- hexage1814 2y ago
  AI music rocks. Especially the ones made on Udio, which I think it's the best model as of right now. I hope we soon have a "Flux" like equivalent model, but for music, that you can run locally/fine-tune,etc...
  - gs17 2y ago
    There's YuE: https://github.com/multimodal-art-projection/YuE https://github.com/multimodal-art-projection/YuE But running it locally will need a bit more GPU power than an image model.
    - andersa 2y ago
      It's also far inferior to Udio or Suno.
senordevnyc 2y ago
It’s ridiculous that YouTube doesn’t allow blocking of channels. I find the prevalence of fake movie trailers to be absolutely infuriating, and I do not understand why YouTube and the IP holders don’t nuke those channels, or at least let people block them!
- NitpickLawyer 2y ago
  Why nuke them when you can "divert" the revenue and enjoy free work, free eyeballs on your IP and so on? This is a "problem" that has been solved by the music industry. They leave every song with shitty lyrics on top but get the ad revenues via the tagging systems that Google implemengted. (agree with you that you should absolutely be able to ban channels)
- cobbal 2y ago
  Don't they have this? I hit the "don't recommend this channel" button and never see them again
  - arccy 2y ago
    it hides from recommendations, but not search results
    - gs17 2y ago
      It's always interesting to see how people use a site entirely differently from myself. I've only used YouTube to find a specific song/artist, so the only search result I'd click on is what I was looking for. From there, the recommendations are surprisingly decent. Do you usually search for a genre or something?
      - senordevnyc 2y ago
        I'm usually searching for movie trailers in specific genres
      - tyrust 2y ago
jsheard 2y ago
Along similar lines, a blocklist for filtering AI crap out of image searches: https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist
- echelon 2y ago
  These strike me as momentary throes from a technological/cultural realignment. Back in the day there were tons of people who were totally opposed to the rising genre of "electronic" music. Today you couldn't call electronic music "not music" without drawing the ire of lots of people. In the same vein, people opposed the internet, digital drawing tablets, digital cameras. AI is interesting because it can be use to "just prompt", and those outputs can't be called art. But actual artists are using the technology as just another tool to accomplish even bigger things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SgA6ymPuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SgA6ymPuc https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1ihq048/i_was_ai_lead_for_this_scifi_short_memory_maker/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1ihq048/i_was_ai_l... Of course AI will still be used for slop and fan fiction, and people will endlessly try to fix Star Wars and Game of Thrones [1]. But that shouldn't be used to detract from the medium, because there will be an abundance of people doing amazing work that stands on its own legs. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfPeixY_I3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfPeixY_I3w
  - jsheard 2y ago
    When doing an image search there are times you specifically don't want AI images, ever, period. If I search the name of a real artist I want to see their their works, not a diffusion models half-remembered knock-off of their style. If I'm looking for reference photos then I want reference photos, not synthesized images which resemble photos but may or may not reflect reality. If I'm looking for historical photos then no, a generated image vaguely drawing on the stereotypical vibes of that era isn't going to cut it.
    - echelon 2y ago
      This is a temporary problem that the market will solve for. Either the search companies will fix their algorithms, or curated websites and platforms will arise. One way or another, this bug will be fixed in time.
hexage1814 2y ago
It would be cool if the author shared the AI music channels list. I love AI music and would greatly appreciate some recommendations of channels to listen to.
- pclmulqdq 2y ago
  I'm curious, what aspects of AI music do you find specifically appealing?
- input_sh 2y ago
  It's right there, you just have to expand it.
brookst 2y ago
In ten years this will be as quaint as a blocklist for music that uses samplers would have been in 1980. Not to say there’s no value today; most pure AI music is terrible and I don’t want to listen to it. But that’s a very temporary state of affairs.
- jsheard 2y ago
  This isn't even really about the merits of AI music as a whole, it's about the vast majority of these channels being the music equivalent of blogspam. They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue by mass producing SEO-optimized content slurry. I picked out a few random channels from this blocklist and some of them are posting new 2-3 hour compilations every day. The person running the channel is probably barely even listening to the tracks before before uploading them, assuming they're listened to at all, the whole process could well be completely automated.
  - visarga 2y ago
    > They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue by mass producing SEO optimized content slurry. This sad situation was caused by internet. It made it possible for us to have unlimited art, writing and video to "consume" so any new work has to compete with a backcatalog spanning decades. This makes royalty revenues tank, so creatives moved to ad based revenue. This caused the attention scarcity situation where we are right now, and enshittification is the outcome. It all started long ago when AI wasn't even a blip. But fortunately AI can clean up web content, so I hope we can distill the good parts and get high quality back. But I don't expect Google or Meta or X to do it for us. We need to power this revolution with local models.
  - hexage1814 2y ago
    >it's about the vast majority of these channels being the music equivalent of blogspam. They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue Honestly, you could say the same about Marvel movies made by humans.
gmuslera 2y ago
Why "awful"? In what is different AI generated music and organic, free range, supposedly human made one? I mean, how do you tell what percent of today's commercial music has been generated more with a calculator than through inspiration or whatever? In the end, made by inspiration or by some algorithm, following patterns, marketing studies or whatever, by AI or not (if there are cases you can tell), what matters is your experience.
- MyOutfitIsVague 2y ago
  For many people, the human factor is the most important point. I'm not against AI music if it was as good as human music (it still very much is not for anything that's not extraordinarily generic and mainstream, or free form jazz), but many people see most arts as a conversation, not just consumption.
  - gmuslera 2y ago
    But the conversation part is something happening only in your side. Music, books, a good part of modern media seem to be done because the algorithms said that it will be sold more than someone having the intention of having a conversation with you. And then the AIs are making something that, from your point of view, are indistinguishable from whatever happened before. What makes it more or less real than what was already happening, from your side?
    - MyOutfitIsVague 2y ago
      I'm not against AI music. From my point of view, perception is everything, and it's all relative to one's point of view. I do understand, though, that for some people, the whole point is to gain a real understanding and connection to another real human's feelings and insight. I can't really fault somebody for considering art to be about more than the end result, and feeling that it's empty without the process. Also, I do feel at my core that creation is superior to consumption, so even though I'm not bothered by AI output (even as a musician and an artist), I have a feeling of respect and admiration for those who create that I simply do not feel for people who type a request into a prompt. Effort and work for a goal are respectable. The ends do not always justify the means, and even if the end result is identical, there is a greater implication on what it means to be an artist, and possibly many negative (and positive) externalities as a result of being able to get the same results with little effort. The art is identical, but the effect on humans is not necessarily. We are changed by the journey, both the artist and consumer. The actual effects of short circuiting the journey isn't something we can fully appreciate until we've had generations of humans who have lived with this. It might be a good thing, but it's not guaranteed that it won't be potentially more negative than positive in the long run. I'm optimistic, but I think it's foolish to not be cautious and skeptical about potential side effects.
z7 2y ago
The beginning of a new kind of discrimination - call it 'synthetic racism.' AI-generated music is being dismissed outright even before listening to it, not based on quality or enjoyment but purely on its artificial origin. Just as past prejudices dismissed art based on heritage rather than merit, we're now seeing a new bias against anything not 'human-made.'
- hnlmorg 2y ago
  Art is an emotional experience. Sometimes people enjoy art because it elicits an emotion in them. And sometimes they enjoy art because of the emotional effort that went into it from the creator. It’s the same reason some people don’t like generic pop music due to its formulaic commercialism. So if people are discriminating AI art because they want to experience the emotions that the authors put into the pieces, then I’m ok with that right up until it can be argued that AI experiences emotions.
- GuinansEyebrows 2y ago
  Show me an AI with a point of view. Show me an AI with an opinion; an aesthetic preference. Show me an AI that has emotions. Show me an AI that’s chosen to make sacrifices to produce its art. AI cannot produce art. Images are not intrinsically art. Sound is not intrinsically art. Art requires thought and intent. AI is not capable of either.
  - PUSH_AX 2y ago
    Gee let’s hope free will is real, otherwise this take gets really awkward.
    - GuinansEyebrows 2y ago
      I’m not worried about questions we can’t answer. I’m worried about businesses destroying artists.
      - PUSH_AX 2y ago
ziofill 2y ago
Someone once said it better than I ever could: it doesn’t matter how good it is, I don’t want art without anybody’s consciousness behind it.
- visarga 2y ago
  Here is where you are wrong. The AI art is built on even more "art consciousness" than any one of us has ever seen. It's a mirror reflection of our own culture, and we should respect it as such. But you say there is no one there, just a model? No, there is someone. There is a real flesh and blood human prompting the model. It's the result of many iteration cycles. At the very least it has some meaning for the prompter.
- hexage1814 2y ago
  Would you stop liking your favorite movie if you discovered it was actually made by an AI?
  - ziofill 2y ago
    Yep
lazycouchpotato 2y ago
> since then, i really started to notice that my youtube recommendations have been colonized to a very large degree by mixes made entirely out of AI generated music Turn off your YT watch history and search history. I've advocated for this on HN for years. Watching one or two AI slop videos won't ruin your recommendations, leaving the algorithm to rely on your likes to find you stuff you'd want to watch. Now if only YT could fix search and allow me to block Shorts.
- navanchauhan 2y ago
  While not the best solution, I use this userscript to disable shorts— https://github.com/Mr-Comand/youtube-shorts-remover-tampermonkey https://github.com/Mr-Comand/youtube-shorts-remover-tampermo...
  - bondarchuk 2y ago
    There's also the unhook youtube browser extension.
  - visarga 2y ago
    Those are a cancer on YouTube, they don't offer any way to disable the shit. And on mobile it's even worse, there is a dedicated tab button you can't hide, even if you are a paying customer no way to avoid it.
  - lazycouchpotato 2y ago
    I'll give it a try. Thank you!
mlboss 2y ago
Instead of "AI Music", writer should have just created a blocklist for music that sucks.
- echelon 2y ago
  In the future "AI Music" will just be called "Music". Just like electronic music. Or digital photos. Or digital illustration. AI film isn't great right now, but people are still finding their legs: https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1ihq048/i_was_ai_lead_for_this_scifi_short_memory_maker/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1ihq048/i_was_ai_l... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SgA6ymPuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SgA6ymPuc I find this medium is one of the best to showcase what people _can_ do with AI, because it requires manual integration of so many different techniques and inputs. When more real artists start doing this (and fewer early adopters / hypesters), the future is going to be explosively indie. A Cambrian explosion that will cater to the long tail of super niche interests. I'm all for it. Less boxed Disney/Marvel/Star Wars spam, and more super edgy and innovative drama and fantasy. Hollywood hasn't really given us much good sci-fi or fantasy. Now all of the world's creatives can start visually articulating their ideas. A good set of analogs to predicatively compare this to might be the overwhelming number of amazing YouTube creators, or indie game designers. That's what will happen with "AI" art.
  - visarga 2y ago
    "AI" art is 99.9% of the time ephemeral art, see it once and throw it away. Who's got the time to see my AI art shit when they could be generating their own? It's more of a personal exploration tool, closer to imagination than to publishing.
    - echelon 2y ago
      Most digital photos are garbage, too. It doesn't discount the medium or the technology. Perhaps you're not a part of the growing community that spends entire weekends making a singular "AI" art pieces. It's a growing creative medium, and the things being created can't simply be "prompted". You might generate a photo of a consistent character, pose them using DwPose / 3D IK, extract them, comp them into another scene. Do the same for two other characters and a prop. Then use that composition as a single shot from a shot list for your AI film. Animate it, then rinse and repeat for a few hundred shots. After the shot list is complete, record the lines, capture facial performances, fix the errors, fix lighting, upscale, and publish. Easily a week of work for one person. AI can be used in workflows by actual artists. It's a tool.
kiwiguy1 2y ago
I run a christmas channel with legit music (almost 3 mil subs) and the entire music scene on YouTube is run by bot networks out of vietnam with YouTube’s knowledge

96 points by jsheard 2y ago

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If you manage to curate a large enough collection of AI-generated playlists, would you consider putting it on Kaggle? This way, others could use it to train AI models to automatically detect AI-generated music. We did something similar by sharing a dataset of around 7,000 AI-generated fake podcasts on Kaggle: https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/listennotes/ai-generated-fake-podcasts-spams https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/listennotes/ai-generated-fak...

aizk 2y ago
This is amazing and I think deserves a thread of its own.
- greymalik 2y ago
  Done! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43073579 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43073579

voidfunc 2y ago

I've been a big fan of AI music for background noise while coding

JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago
Try this for coding: https://musicforprogramming.net/ https://musicforprogramming.net/ Some artists have their SoundCloud or Bandcamp account in the links.
Okx 2y ago
soma fm has some good online radio stations: https://somafm.com/ https://somafm.com/ (and shows you the track and artist)
petercooper 2y ago
Same, though by surprise. I've been generating a very specific uncommon genre of music on Suno (a sort of Slavic accordion drum'n'bass - a totally random idea I had one day) and found myself listening to it more than I anticipated. I dislike most of Suno's vocal output but the instrumentals can be quite good especially in unusual fusions of genres.
- zeven7 2y ago
  > sort of Slavic accordion drum'n'bass Interesting. Do you have an example?
  - petercooper 2y ago
    Largely no, but I did upload one of the very first ones I generated at the time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP5eOdyRhYw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP5eOdyRhYw – For some reason I find this sort of thing good background music, though suspect most would not! I quite like music with uncommon modes and weird scales and Suno isn't too bad at emulating this - especially with Arabic music (e.g. "swirling dramatic orchestral arabic music with oud guitar" will yield many good, if stereotypical, results). I'm not familiar enough with traditional regional music to pick out all the flaws so it works for me, but a "local" would probably say it sounds unrealistic in the same way that Suno-generated typical Western pop and rock sounds off to my ears.
    - orloffm 2y ago
      That's interesting, but my brain can't stop thinking that it's impossible to play the instrument that fast and precisely. Plus, it clearly feels somehow that it was created to mimic the actual live performance of some sort. I guess this "suspension of disbelief" kind of thing is easy for some, but triggers something deeply unpleasant for others.
      - petercooper 2y ago
        Oh, there's real music that's as scatty and uptempo as this from the region! My gateway to it was encountering a Romanian/Serbian musician called Benny Sarbu on YouTube who plays really fast accordion and synth pieces like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plmVGVUFUJw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plmVGVUFUJw .. his sound basically inspired my prompting. I wanted something that sounded like what he's playing but with drums.
hexage1814 2y ago
AI music rocks. Especially the ones made on Udio, which I think it's the best model as of right now. I hope we soon have a "Flux" like equivalent model, but for music, that you can run locally/fine-tune,etc...
- gs17 2y ago
  There's YuE: https://github.com/multimodal-art-projection/YuE https://github.com/multimodal-art-projection/YuE But running it locally will need a bit more GPU power than an image model.
  - andersa 2y ago
    It's also far inferior to Udio or Suno.

senordevnyc 2y ago

It’s ridiculous that YouTube doesn’t allow blocking of channels. I find the prevalence of fake movie trailers to be absolutely infuriating, and I do not understand why YouTube and the IP holders don’t nuke those channels, or at least let people block them!

NitpickLawyer 2y ago
Why nuke them when you can "divert" the revenue and enjoy free work, free eyeballs on your IP and so on? This is a "problem" that has been solved by the music industry. They leave every song with shitty lyrics on top but get the ad revenues via the tagging systems that Google implemengted. (agree with you that you should absolutely be able to ban channels)
cobbal 2y ago
Don't they have this? I hit the "don't recommend this channel" button and never see them again
- arccy 2y ago
  it hides from recommendations, but not search results
  - gs17 2y ago
    It's always interesting to see how people use a site entirely differently from myself. I've only used YouTube to find a specific song/artist, so the only search result I'd click on is what I was looking for. From there, the recommendations are surprisingly decent. Do you usually search for a genre or something?
    - senordevnyc 2y ago
      I'm usually searching for movie trailers in specific genres
    - tyrust 2y ago

jsheard 2y ago

Along similar lines, a blocklist for filtering AI crap out of image searches: https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist

echelon 2y ago
These strike me as momentary throes from a technological/cultural realignment. Back in the day there were tons of people who were totally opposed to the rising genre of "electronic" music. Today you couldn't call electronic music "not music" without drawing the ire of lots of people. In the same vein, people opposed the internet, digital drawing tablets, digital cameras. AI is interesting because it can be use to "just prompt", and those outputs can't be called art. But actual artists are using the technology as just another tool to accomplish even bigger things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SgA6ymPuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SgA6ymPuc https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1ihq048/i_was_ai_lead_for_this_scifi_short_memory_maker/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1ihq048/i_was_ai_l... Of course AI will still be used for slop and fan fiction, and people will endlessly try to fix Star Wars and Game of Thrones [1]. But that shouldn't be used to detract from the medium, because there will be an abundance of people doing amazing work that stands on its own legs. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfPeixY_I3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfPeixY_I3w
- jsheard 2y ago
  When doing an image search there are times you specifically don't want AI images, ever, period. If I search the name of a real artist I want to see their their works, not a diffusion models half-remembered knock-off of their style. If I'm looking for reference photos then I want reference photos, not synthesized images which resemble photos but may or may not reflect reality. If I'm looking for historical photos then no, a generated image vaguely drawing on the stereotypical vibes of that era isn't going to cut it.
  - echelon 2y ago
    This is a temporary problem that the market will solve for. Either the search companies will fix their algorithms, or curated websites and platforms will arise. One way or another, this bug will be fixed in time.

hexage1814 2y ago

It would be cool if the author shared the AI music channels list. I love AI music and would greatly appreciate some recommendations of channels to listen to.

pclmulqdq 2y ago
I'm curious, what aspects of AI music do you find specifically appealing?
input_sh 2y ago
It's right there, you just have to expand it.

brookst 2y ago

In ten years this will be as quaint as a blocklist for music that uses samplers would have been in 1980. Not to say there’s no value today; most pure AI music is terrible and I don’t want to listen to it. But that’s a very temporary state of affairs.

jsheard 2y ago
This isn't even really about the merits of AI music as a whole, it's about the vast majority of these channels being the music equivalent of blogspam. They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue by mass producing SEO-optimized content slurry. I picked out a few random channels from this blocklist and some of them are posting new 2-3 hour compilations every day. The person running the channel is probably barely even listening to the tracks before before uploading them, assuming they're listened to at all, the whole process could well be completely automated.
- visarga 2y ago
  > They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue by mass producing SEO optimized content slurry. This sad situation was caused by internet. It made it possible for us to have unlimited art, writing and video to "consume" so any new work has to compete with a backcatalog spanning decades. This makes royalty revenues tank, so creatives moved to ad based revenue. This caused the attention scarcity situation where we are right now, and enshittification is the outcome. It all started long ago when AI wasn't even a blip. But fortunately AI can clean up web content, so I hope we can distill the good parts and get high quality back. But I don't expect Google or Meta or X to do it for us. We need to power this revolution with local models.
- hexage1814 2y ago
  >it's about the vast majority of these channels being the music equivalent of blogspam. They're not even trying to do anything interesting with the medium, they exist purely to extract ad revenue Honestly, you could say the same about Marvel movies made by humans.

gmuslera 2y ago

Why "awful"? In what is different AI generated music and organic, free range, supposedly human made one? I mean, how do you tell what percent of today's commercial music has been generated more with a calculator than through inspiration or whatever? In the end, made by inspiration or by some algorithm, following patterns, marketing studies or whatever, by AI or not (if there are cases you can tell), what matters is your experience.

MyOutfitIsVague 2y ago
For many people, the human factor is the most important point. I'm not against AI music if it was as good as human music (it still very much is not for anything that's not extraordinarily generic and mainstream, or free form jazz), but many people see most arts as a conversation, not just consumption.
- gmuslera 2y ago
  But the conversation part is something happening only in your side. Music, books, a good part of modern media seem to be done because the algorithms said that it will be sold more than someone having the intention of having a conversation with you. And then the AIs are making something that, from your point of view, are indistinguishable from whatever happened before. What makes it more or less real than what was already happening, from your side?
  - MyOutfitIsVague 2y ago
    I'm not against AI music. From my point of view, perception is everything, and it's all relative to one's point of view. I do understand, though, that for some people, the whole point is to gain a real understanding and connection to another real human's feelings and insight. I can't really fault somebody for considering art to be about more than the end result, and feeling that it's empty without the process. Also, I do feel at my core that creation is superior to consumption, so even though I'm not bothered by AI output (even as a musician and an artist), I have a feeling of respect and admiration for those who create that I simply do not feel for people who type a request into a prompt. Effort and work for a goal are respectable. The ends do not always justify the means, and even if the end result is identical, there is a greater implication on what it means to be an artist, and possibly many negative (and positive) externalities as a result of being able to get the same results with little effort. The art is identical, but the effect on humans is not necessarily. We are changed by the journey, both the artist and consumer. The actual effects of short circuiting the journey isn't something we can fully appreciate until we've had generations of humans who have lived with this. It might be a good thing, but it's not guaranteed that it won't be potentially more negative than positive in the long run. I'm optimistic, but I think it's foolish to not be cautious and skeptical about potential side effects.

z7 2y ago

The beginning of a new kind of discrimination - call it 'synthetic racism.' AI-generated music is being dismissed outright even before listening to it, not based on quality or enjoyment but purely on its artificial origin. Just as past prejudices dismissed art based on heritage rather than merit, we're now seeing a new bias against anything not 'human-made.'

hnlmorg 2y ago
Art is an emotional experience. Sometimes people enjoy art because it elicits an emotion in them. And sometimes they enjoy art because of the emotional effort that went into it from the creator. It’s the same reason some people don’t like generic pop music due to its formulaic commercialism. So if people are discriminating AI art because they want to experience the emotions that the authors put into the pieces, then I’m ok with that right up until it can be argued that AI experiences emotions.
GuinansEyebrows 2y ago
Show me an AI with a point of view. Show me an AI with an opinion; an aesthetic preference. Show me an AI that has emotions. Show me an AI that’s chosen to make sacrifices to produce its art. AI cannot produce art. Images are not intrinsically art. Sound is not intrinsically art. Art requires thought and intent. AI is not capable of either.
- PUSH_AX 2y ago
  Gee let’s hope free will is real, otherwise this take gets really awkward.
  - GuinansEyebrows 2y ago
    I’m not worried about questions we can’t answer. I’m worried about businesses destroying artists.
    - PUSH_AX 2y ago

ziofill 2y ago

Someone once said it better than I ever could: it doesn’t matter how good it is, I don’t want art without anybody’s consciousness behind it.

visarga 2y ago
Here is where you are wrong. The AI art is built on even more "art consciousness" than any one of us has ever seen. It's a mirror reflection of our own culture, and we should respect it as such. But you say there is no one there, just a model? No, there is someone. There is a real flesh and blood human prompting the model. It's the result of many iteration cycles. At the very least it has some meaning for the prompter.
hexage1814 2y ago
Would you stop liking your favorite movie if you discovered it was actually made by an AI?
- ziofill 2y ago
  Yep

lazycouchpotato 2y ago

> since then, i really started to notice that my youtube recommendations have been colonized to a very large degree by mixes made entirely out of AI generated music Turn off your YT watch history and search history. I've advocated for this on HN for years. Watching one or two AI slop videos won't ruin your recommendations, leaving the algorithm to rely on your likes to find you stuff you'd want to watch. Now if only YT could fix search and allow me to block Shorts.

navanchauhan 2y ago
While not the best solution, I use this userscript to disable shorts— https://github.com/Mr-Comand/youtube-shorts-remover-tampermonkey https://github.com/Mr-Comand/youtube-shorts-remover-tampermo...
- bondarchuk 2y ago
  There's also the unhook youtube browser extension.
- visarga 2y ago
  Those are a cancer on YouTube, they don't offer any way to disable the shit. And on mobile it's even worse, there is a dedicated tab button you can't hide, even if you are a paying customer no way to avoid it.
- lazycouchpotato 2y ago
  I'll give it a try. Thank you!

mlboss 2y ago

Instead of "AI Music", writer should have just created a blocklist for music that sucks.

echelon 2y ago
In the future "AI Music" will just be called "Music". Just like electronic music. Or digital photos. Or digital illustration. AI film isn't great right now, but people are still finding their legs: https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1ihq048/i_was_ai_lead_for_this_scifi_short_memory_maker/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1ihq048/i_was_ai_l... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SgA6ymPuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SgA6ymPuc I find this medium is one of the best to showcase what people _can_ do with AI, because it requires manual integration of so many different techniques and inputs. When more real artists start doing this (and fewer early adopters / hypesters), the future is going to be explosively indie. A Cambrian explosion that will cater to the long tail of super niche interests. I'm all for it. Less boxed Disney/Marvel/Star Wars spam, and more super edgy and innovative drama and fantasy. Hollywood hasn't really given us much good sci-fi or fantasy. Now all of the world's creatives can start visually articulating their ideas. A good set of analogs to predicatively compare this to might be the overwhelming number of amazing YouTube creators, or indie game designers. That's what will happen with "AI" art.
- visarga 2y ago
  "AI" art is 99.9% of the time ephemeral art, see it once and throw it away. Who's got the time to see my AI art shit when they could be generating their own? It's more of a personal exploration tool, closer to imagination than to publishing.
  - echelon 2y ago
    Most digital photos are garbage, too. It doesn't discount the medium or the technology. Perhaps you're not a part of the growing community that spends entire weekends making a singular "AI" art pieces. It's a growing creative medium, and the things being created can't simply be "prompted". You might generate a photo of a consistent character, pose them using DwPose / 3D IK, extract them, comp them into another scene. Do the same for two other characters and a prop. Then use that composition as a single shot from a shot list for your AI film. Animate it, then rinse and repeat for a few hundred shots. After the shot list is complete, record the lines, capture facial performances, fix the errors, fix lighting, upscale, and publish. Easily a week of work for one person. AI can be used in workflows by actual artists. It's a tool.

kiwiguy1 2y ago

I run a christmas channel with legit music (almost 3 mil subs) and the entire music scene on YouTube is run by bot networks out of vietnam with YouTube’s knowledge