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It’s a different tradeoff. I come from a country with a weak passport, which limits my opportunities a lot. It’s hard to explain that to someone who can travel

It’s a different tradeoff. I come from a country with a weak passport, which limits my opportunities a lot. It’s hard to explain that to someone who can travel wherever they want, so it’s a bit different for me. When visas are tied to jobs, getting laid off means something completely different—even in a good labor market. I had to move from the US to one of those countries with strong labor protections. But I agree that salaries take a massive hit because of this, and opportunities are reduced too. I’ve seen the opposite as well—people losing their residence permits and healthcare coverage, and then going bankrupt after a layoff. For me, lower pay for better labor protection is a sensible tradeoff. But of course, your mileage may vary.

Denvercoder9 2y ago
A better solution is to not tie visas to jobs. While at it, also stop tying healthcare insurance to jobs. As someone from a country with strong labor protections, I'm in favor of making it easier to fire people. There's too much dead weight around in companies here. But being fired shouldn't be a life threatening event.
- rednafi 2y ago
  This is something I can get behind. I don’t want to be a deadweight to a company and still expect to get paid handsomely. But the reality is that tying visas and healthcare to jobs, and treating expats who pay taxes in the 90th percentile like unwanted immigrants, is a bad deal for everyone involved. I do hope this gets fixed at some point—I’d love to go back. I made some great friends there. But until then, I still stand for better labor protection.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    Treating anyone Adam unwanted immigrant is a bad deal for everyone involved. I don't understand how America (I'm an American) has diverged so far from what the literal Statue of Liberty stands for. If someone wants to come here and try make a life for themselves, by all means come and give it your best shot.

Denvercoder9 2y ago

A better solution is to not tie visas to jobs. While at it, also stop tying healthcare insurance to jobs. As someone from a country with strong labor protections, I'm in favor of making it easier to fire people. There's too much dead weight around in companies here. But being fired shouldn't be a life threatening event.

rednafi 2y ago
This is something I can get behind. I don’t want to be a deadweight to a company and still expect to get paid handsomely. But the reality is that tying visas and healthcare to jobs, and treating expats who pay taxes in the 90th percentile like unwanted immigrants, is a bad deal for everyone involved. I do hope this gets fixed at some point—I’d love to go back. I made some great friends there. But until then, I still stand for better labor protection.
- _heimdall 2y ago
  Treating anyone Adam unwanted immigrant is a bad deal for everyone involved. I don't understand how America (I'm an American) has diverged so far from what the literal Statue of Liberty stands for. If someone wants to come here and try make a life for themselves, by all means come and give it your best shot.