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I can understand why we feel the need to protect uncontacted tribes, but as an individual I wonder how they feel finding out the rest of the world has all this
by jemmyw 2y ago
I can understand why we feel the need to protect uncontacted tribes, but as an individual I wonder how they feel finding out the rest of the world has all this amazing stuff and cheap easy eats but was keeping it from you on purpose.
- zimpenfish 2y agoSounds like a great plot for a story. Could also do a sci-fi one where aliens turn up, discover (e.g.) peanut butter, and end up enslaving the human race to mass produce it for them to take back home.
- JKCalhoun 2y agoSo basically what happened to South and Central America.
- zimpenfish 2y agoHmm, fair point. Also the Congo, India, etc.
- DogRunner 2y ago>cheap easy eats and mostly unhealthy in comparison to self hunted / self-planted food.
- gwbas1c 2y agoDo you mostly eat self hunted and self planted food? There's a big reason why the vast majority of people choose to buy their food.
- gus_massa 2y agoFish is probably the only wild animal/plant with masive consuption. (That is the closest to we all decide that nobody herd/cultivate, only hunter/gather.)
- vdupras 2y agoAnd then I began to wonder what if we could isolate a whole country from the effects of LLMs. I know, impossible, but what if. They get to keep the old internet and all. A fork in the road. Just no LLMs at all. I wonder, after a few decades, how it would turn out comparatively to the rest of the world. Or what about no internet? No computers? Would that country really turn out that bad? Hubris at the individual level is rather easy to discern. At the civilizational level, it's a bit harder.
- JKCalhoun 2y agoHonestly, if no-internet was forced on society I think it would be a net good thing (ignore accidental pun). Probably though TV was the beginning of the downward spiral.
- wincy 2y agoThe thing is this feeling always happens to be “stop things right at the point that I grew up in”. The Amish felt similarly in the 1800s which is why they cut their beards in a way so as not to be confused with Continental soldiers despite there no longer being Continental soldiers. If everything else falls apart the Amish will be out in the middle of nowhere doing their thing. If you want to see what it looks like to stop the clock, go talk with them. They’ll happily have a chat with you if you buy some furniture from them. Heck, my friend was Amish for most of his childhood. Then his parents pulled him out of it. Then he fell in with the wrong crowd and struggled with heroin addiction for several years before getting clean. And that’s a far, far smaller cultural shock than an uncontacted tribe. Sometimes he says he wishes he could go back.
- techjamie 2y agoThere are definitely countries that'll be isolated from them. It's just most of those countries are also isolated from everything else. Eg. North Korea
- erikerikson 2y agoRoughly speaking, consider Amish country
- kbrkbr 2y agoOn a far away spaceship a very advanced alien may be saying the same thing on their very advanced equivalent of hn. Joke would be on humanity.
- seydor 2y agoAt least they can claim they are bound by the prime directive. I wonder what is the equivalent for anthropologists
- Sharlin 2y agoI believe many of the remaining tribes are more or less aware of the outside world and choose to keep their lifestyle. For example I wouldn't be surprised if the famously isolationist North Sentinelese people have some idea of what has happened to nearby assimilated tribes and choose to have none of that.
- rajnathani 2y agoThe North Sentinelese tribe would literally have no idea of the outside world, they live on an island in the middle of a large sea.
- Qem 2y ago> how they feel finding out the rest of the world has all this amazing stuff and cheap easy eats I wonder how they feel finding out the rest of the world has some nasty infectious diseases and people there need to work their asses of for 30+ years to pay their mortgage and have a roof.
- batch12 2y agoThese tribes have no sickness and don't have to work hard for food or shelter? Sign me up.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 2y agoLess infectious diseases like colds etc. that spread human-to-human seems likely given the isolation and lower population numbers. Where would the diseases come from? Of course, if they don't have access to antibiotics, they have other much worse kinds of sickness to deal with, and even their relatively simple lifestyle will be hard to maintain without hard work...
- JKCalhoun 2y agoSo native Hawaiians. As I understand it, when corporate start setting up pineapple and sugar plantations in Hawaii they found they could not get cheap labor from the Hawaiian people themselves. And why would they? Between fish and fruit they have all the food they need. A simple structure (on the preferred side of the island) is all you need for shelter. So they brought in Chinese laborers.
- gus_massa 2y agoA roof, walls, windows and net in the windows to keep mosquitoes away at night, and avoid malaria and similar mosquito transmited illness. I'd add Chagas-Mazza that is tranmited by other bug but it's probably endemic there. Also, tap water or at least a well. During tje first year, children get like 20 or 25 vaccines. Some of the ilness are very rare and they may not know them, but other are just severe diarhea caused by a common bacteria. And add antibiotics for other common problems.
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- arresin 2y agoWhat amazing stuff? You feel happy on your phone and in front of the computer?
- equinoxnemesis 2y agoYes.
- ben_w 2y agoSnow is gently falling outside my windows. They're triple glazed, so I'm in a T-Shirt. The entire heating system was somehow accidentally switched off for nearly a week this winter, and yet the internal temperature only dropped a few degrees. There's things I wish were different in the world I find myself living in, but there are also many developments that my parents found magical over the course of their lives.
- becquerel 2y agoYes, I enjoy it an awful lot. It's my element.
- OskarS 2y agoThe argument here is that this is exactly how (mostly) European societies hell-bent on colonization have been justifying their actions for five hundred years, with different variations of "amazing stuff" (salvation, weapons, trade goods, technology, medicine...). It's almost universally led to these tribes being subjugated, enslaved, exploited or just murdered outright. Humanity has a terrible track-record on this topic, and we should learn from our mistakes and just leave them alone.
- jemmyw 2y agoI wasn't judging the rightness or wrongness of it, or historical events, I just wondered how an individual would feel about the situation. Star Trek examines the feelings of aliens who find out about tech and then about the prime directive, but that's just speculation.
- PedroBatista 2y agoHere we go again.. If you know so much about European colonization then you might also know the topic of “contact with then” vs “avoid contact” is almost as old as the colonization itself. I hope the irony of “our amazing stuff,we know better” and your statement of “just leave them alone” isn’t lost on you.
- OskarS 2y agoThe point is to let them choose for themselves. If they want to contact us, that's perfectly fine. But it should be their choice to make, not ours.
- eudhxhdhsb32 2y agoAn easier life isn't always a better life, at least for some like the Amish.