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Is it politics that people don't want to do business with shitty people? I'd call that being human. If I owned a bill board space, and set everything around i

Is it politics that people don't want to do business with shitty people? I'd call that being human. If I owned a bill board space, and set everything around it on fire, wouldn't you think it was my fault that advertisers didn't want to pay to use it any more?

TeMPOraL 2y ago
No, but then burning everything around the billboard doesn't necessarily make you a shitty person, and also opinions of people siding with advertisers aren't somehow the definitive ones. I mean, why do people who hate what Twitter is now care about it's lost revenue? Especially given what it was, and where the revenue came from, this isn't exactly an argument that generalizes well.
- roenxi 2y ago
  The real question is why people think Twitter's lost revenue is linked to Musk's management. There doesn't seem to be a theory about a causal link. If anything the argument is "Musk is a bad person -> Twitter lost revenue" which suggests his management practices had no effect on the company's operation.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    FWIW, I absolutely blame his management of Twitter rather than his political alignment or questions of morality. Reason being, look at Tesla stock price: Musk's gaffes have a short term impact, but overall the price is way up since buying Twitter.
    - TeMPOraL 2y ago
      Tesla is not in advertising business, though. They are affected by the whims of public opinion, but not as much, as they're established company selling a quality product worldwide. Musk used to dabble much more in Tesla directly than he's now, I wonder whether the ups and downs of the company correlate with his involvement, especially before he started going off the rails so badly? That would be informative and help separate object-level impact from political hysteria.
      - LunaSea 2y ago
        > Tesla is not in advertising business, though. Tesla is absolutely in the advertisement business. Their marketing and image is the only thing holding the company up (for now).
        TeMPOraL 2y ago
        What I meant is: they buy ads and care about their opinion. They're not a platform selling ads, and they're not an ad delivery vector (like e.g. publishers) either. The latter two kinds of businesses have particular dynamics that are highly sensitive to public opinion, much more so than for any other kind of business.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    Did people already forget he allowed Anti-semitism? And then brands left Twitter? And then he threatened to sue the brands for leaving? We can argue the first part all day. The point was Coca Cola and co. did not want to assossiate anymore and that had an objective dollar amount. I know less about this situation, but Twitter in 2024 apparently made some controversial blocking changes and that started the bluesky migration. I don't know the dollar amount there, but they apparently lost some big influencers.

TeMPOraL 2y ago

No, but then burning everything around the billboard doesn't necessarily make you a shitty person, and also opinions of people siding with advertisers aren't somehow the definitive ones. I mean, why do people who hate what Twitter is now care about it's lost revenue? Especially given what it was, and where the revenue came from, this isn't exactly an argument that generalizes well.

roenxi 2y ago
The real question is why people think Twitter's lost revenue is linked to Musk's management. There doesn't seem to be a theory about a causal link. If anything the argument is "Musk is a bad person -> Twitter lost revenue" which suggests his management practices had no effect on the company's operation.
- ben_w 2y ago
  FWIW, I absolutely blame his management of Twitter rather than his political alignment or questions of morality. Reason being, look at Tesla stock price: Musk's gaffes have a short term impact, but overall the price is way up since buying Twitter.
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    Tesla is not in advertising business, though. They are affected by the whims of public opinion, but not as much, as they're established company selling a quality product worldwide. Musk used to dabble much more in Tesla directly than he's now, I wonder whether the ups and downs of the company correlate with his involvement, especially before he started going off the rails so badly? That would be informative and help separate object-level impact from political hysteria.
    - LunaSea 2y ago
      > Tesla is not in advertising business, though. Tesla is absolutely in the advertisement business. Their marketing and image is the only thing holding the company up (for now).
      - TeMPOraL 2y ago
        What I meant is: they buy ads and care about their opinion. They're not a platform selling ads, and they're not an ad delivery vector (like e.g. publishers) either. The latter two kinds of businesses have particular dynamics that are highly sensitive to public opinion, much more so than for any other kind of business.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  Did people already forget he allowed Anti-semitism? And then brands left Twitter? And then he threatened to sue the brands for leaving? We can argue the first part all day. The point was Coca Cola and co. did not want to assossiate anymore and that had an objective dollar amount. I know less about this situation, but Twitter in 2024 apparently made some controversial blocking changes and that started the bluesky migration. I don't know the dollar amount there, but they apparently lost some big influencers.