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Cringe. How on earth this guy was elected again?

NewJazz 2y ago
I don't know I got distracted. He did the weave!
mckn1ght 2y ago
I saw this comment earlier in another posted article that I think will explain it pretty well. We simply have a lot of these kinds of folks running around. Don’t forget to check out the YouTube comments for more examples! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43065052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43065052
fsh 2y ago
The recession due to COVID made it pretty much impossible for an incumbent party to win an election in 2024.
suzzer99 2y ago
Because we are a profoundly stupid nation.
- grandempire 2y ago
  “They are my enemies because they are evil and stupid” is why we are here a second time.
  - lgdiva 2y ago
    If you can explain how firing the nuclear experts isn't utterly stupid, I'm all ears, bucko.
    - grandempire 2y ago
      If you think this decision is dumb, that’s ok. The implication here is that people vote for trump because they are stupid. Which is a political non-starter. If you can’t explain what they think in words they would agree with, you just don’t understand them. But sure I’ll try to take the other side. Is every person in an organization associated with the word “nuclear” essential? Will nations start blowing up if a single one is fired? So we need to know who got let go and what their responsibility is. Otherwise we are just word associating (“nuclear safety people = good”, “reducing safety = bad”), which is probably what the authors of this piece hoped for. But come on, this is just a nerd fantasy that appeals to HNers (the smart people doing important science are untouchable and will automatically do what’s right).
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  - suzzer99 2y ago
    I'll give the people deep in the cult a pass. I'm more thinking about the normies who saw Jan 6th, saw Trump repeatedly say Covid was going away with one or two cases, saw Trump lie about the election being stolen, saw 90% of campaign ads be nothing but attacking immigrants and trans people, and saw a million other things--and said, "Yes please, give me more of that." That takes a level of willful ignorance I can't comprehend.
    - grandempire 2y ago
      Being able to explain what this group of Americans think would make the world less confusing and less frustrating.
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- dennis_jeeves2 2y ago
  More accurately, the least stupid nation on earth.
kelnos 2y ago
Half the people in the country either a) want to watch everything burn, because the system has served them poorly for too long, or b) are stupid enough to believe that Trump actually wants to help them. Or both. Many (most?) Americans don't seem to have ever learned how to think critically or question what authority figures tell them to believe. On top of that, COVID was rough for lots and lots of people. Even though it started under Trump, he somehow managed to avoid blame for the government's missteps early on. Biden did what he could, but even an absolute perfect response would have caused a lot of strife for a lot of people, and his administration's response was definitely not perfect. In a way I think it's impressive how well Harris did; even had Biden decided not to run at all for a second term, it would have been an uphill battle for the incumbent party to stay in power after COVID.
- computerthings 2y ago
  Mind you that not even a quarter of Americans voted for Trump.
  - grandempire 2y ago
    This is normal in every election so you can use the same logic to dismiss any president. Do you only respect 100% sampling rates in other statistical situations? At a certain point this line of thinking is just saying you don’t think elections work, or that there should be some non-democratic supervisor to undo bad ones. There is also an older idea that getting people out to vote is part of the game. An election is when citizens back leaders from their community. It’s not taking a survey of every 18+ human life form with a pulse.
    - computerthings 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - grandempire 2y ago
        > How un-democratic, huh? Why are you using a quote about censorship and free speech to talk about the outcome of an election? Those aren’t related things. Nobody thinks majority vote makes truth, but majority of electoral voters does determine the president of the US. > Even if Trump had 99% of the votes It sounds like your previous comment expressing concern about the number of voters was in bad faith. > Trump voters have no clue how tariffs work I noticed this actually isn’t an argument against tariffs. I don’t think it’s going to look pretty if we starting quizzing low class democratic voters on economic questions either. This has no bearing on whether the policy is a good idea or not.
krapp 2y ago
Price of eggs went up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
consumer451 2y ago
> How on earth this guy was elected again? Through the repetition of statements like: "illegals commit more crime," "illegals are eating your dogs," "Trump - Low prices, Kamala - High prices | 2024." Those things are not true, but having no proof does not matter any more. You just need to "flood the zone." They don't even attempt to hide this technique at all. This philosophy was openly confirmed by multiple people in the current administration, including the Vice President.
glitchc 2y ago
The Democrat Party failed to field a credible candidate that was democratically elected.
- lgdiva 2y ago
  Democratic* Party.

I don't know I got distracted. He did the weave!

I saw this comment earlier in another posted article that I think will explain it pretty well. We simply have a lot of these kinds of folks running around. Don’t forget to check out the YouTube comments for more examples! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43065052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43065052

fsh 2y ago

The recession due to COVID made it pretty much impossible for an incumbent party to win an election in 2024.

suzzer99 2y ago

Because we are a profoundly stupid nation.

grandempire 2y ago
“They are my enemies because they are evil and stupid” is why we are here a second time.
- lgdiva 2y ago
  If you can explain how firing the nuclear experts isn't utterly stupid, I'm all ears, bucko.
  - grandempire 2y ago
    If you think this decision is dumb, that’s ok. The implication here is that people vote for trump because they are stupid. Which is a political non-starter. If you can’t explain what they think in words they would agree with, you just don’t understand them. But sure I’ll try to take the other side. Is every person in an organization associated with the word “nuclear” essential? Will nations start blowing up if a single one is fired? So we need to know who got let go and what their responsibility is. Otherwise we are just word associating (“nuclear safety people = good”, “reducing safety = bad”), which is probably what the authors of this piece hoped for. But come on, this is just a nerd fantasy that appeals to HNers (the smart people doing important science are untouchable and will automatically do what’s right).
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
- suzzer99 2y ago
  I'll give the people deep in the cult a pass. I'm more thinking about the normies who saw Jan 6th, saw Trump repeatedly say Covid was going away with one or two cases, saw Trump lie about the election being stolen, saw 90% of campaign ads be nothing but attacking immigrants and trans people, and saw a million other things--and said, "Yes please, give me more of that." That takes a level of willful ignorance I can't comprehend.
  - grandempire 2y ago
    Being able to explain what this group of Americans think would make the world less confusing and less frustrating.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
dennis_jeeves2 2y ago
More accurately, the least stupid nation on earth.

kelnos 2y ago

Half the people in the country either a) want to watch everything burn, because the system has served them poorly for too long, or b) are stupid enough to believe that Trump actually wants to help them. Or both. Many (most?) Americans don't seem to have ever learned how to think critically or question what authority figures tell them to believe. On top of that, COVID was rough for lots and lots of people. Even though it started under Trump, he somehow managed to avoid blame for the government's missteps early on. Biden did what he could, but even an absolute perfect response would have caused a lot of strife for a lot of people, and his administration's response was definitely not perfect. In a way I think it's impressive how well Harris did; even had Biden decided not to run at all for a second term, it would have been an uphill battle for the incumbent party to stay in power after COVID.

computerthings 2y ago
Mind you that not even a quarter of Americans voted for Trump.
- grandempire 2y ago
  This is normal in every election so you can use the same logic to dismiss any president. Do you only respect 100% sampling rates in other statistical situations? At a certain point this line of thinking is just saying you don’t think elections work, or that there should be some non-democratic supervisor to undo bad ones. There is also an older idea that getting people out to vote is part of the game. An election is when citizens back leaders from their community. It’s not taking a survey of every 18+ human life form with a pulse.
  - computerthings 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - grandempire 2y ago
      > How un-democratic, huh? Why are you using a quote about censorship and free speech to talk about the outcome of an election? Those aren’t related things. Nobody thinks majority vote makes truth, but majority of electoral voters does determine the president of the US. > Even if Trump had 99% of the votes It sounds like your previous comment expressing concern about the number of voters was in bad faith. > Trump voters have no clue how tariffs work I noticed this actually isn’t an argument against tariffs. I don’t think it’s going to look pretty if we starting quizzing low class democratic voters on economic questions either. This has no bearing on whether the policy is a good idea or not.

krapp 2y ago

Price of eggs went up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

consumer451 2y ago

> How on earth this guy was elected again? Through the repetition of statements like: "illegals commit more crime," "illegals are eating your dogs," "Trump - Low prices, Kamala - High prices | 2024." Those things are not true, but having no proof does not matter any more. You just need to "flood the zone." They don't even attempt to hide this technique at all. This philosophy was openly confirmed by multiple people in the current administration, including the Vice President.

glitchc 2y ago

The Democrat Party failed to field a credible candidate that was democratically elected.

lgdiva 2y ago
Democratic* Party.