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Labor unions in the us seem ... kinda wobbly and leaderless. Their % of workers has declined in the US, and I'm not sure how much the average citizen sees the

by duxup 2y ago

Labor unions in the us seem ... kinda wobbly and leaderless. Their % of workers has declined in the US, and I'm not sure how much the average citizen sees them as someone to listen too.

nine_zeros 2y ago
The average citizen wants unions. The average tech worker in America is delusional enough to not want unions yet.
- gruez 2y ago
  >The average citizen wants unions. Source?
  - emorning3 2y ago
    My Trumper brother loves his union and Trump. I've asked him to explain how this can be and he cant, he just accommodates the contradiction with a lot hand-waving. So I think that there are enough Trumpers that are OK with unions to make a majority that support unions. Basically, Trumpers can choose to believe anything they want, anytime they want, for any reason they want, or for no reason at all. They do that in order to be able to rationalize their irrational, and often detestable behavior to themselves.
lotharcable 2y ago
Generally speaking workers in the USA are anti-union. Or at least see them with suspicion. They are widely perceived as a waste of money on dues and just plain kinda unpleasant to deal with. This isn't true for all types. Like welders and pipe fitters tend to like unions, but by and large if unions don't exist it is because nobody (including the workers) wants them. They also don't really like what they perceive as "leftists" either. They much more strongly prefer to identify with somebody like Trump then somebody writing for a Marxist online website. There are exceptions to this, of course. Like if you live in a large city, especially predominately "Blue" area you are going to see a lot of people running around trying to advocate for unions and such things. But that isn't normal for the rest of the country. There is a lot of literature spent discussing this sort of thing... Why American workers are largely very conservative. Back in the 1960/70s when student groups went around in working class areas of the country and tried to organize labor... a lot of them ended up hospitals as a result of their efforts. This is why Marxists don't go around making murals about the greatness of the working men anymore.
trod1234 2y ago
That's largely because the power of unions was destroyed in the 1970s by Ronald Reagan, he set the example and playbook that all modern union breaking corporations today follow. There was also the many precedents set during the height of judicial activism, which is why we, arguably, don't have a rule of law anymore today, but mostly it was the breaking of PATCO by Reagan.

by duxup 2y ago

Labor unions in the us seem ... kinda wobbly and leaderless. Their % of workers has declined in the US, and I'm not sure how much the average citizen sees them as someone to listen too.

nine_zeros 2y ago

The average citizen wants unions. The average tech worker in America is delusional enough to not want unions yet.

gruez 2y ago
>The average citizen wants unions. Source?
- emorning3 2y ago
  My Trumper brother loves his union and Trump. I've asked him to explain how this can be and he cant, he just accommodates the contradiction with a lot hand-waving. So I think that there are enough Trumpers that are OK with unions to make a majority that support unions. Basically, Trumpers can choose to believe anything they want, anytime they want, for any reason they want, or for no reason at all. They do that in order to be able to rationalize their irrational, and often detestable behavior to themselves.

lotharcable 2y ago

Generally speaking workers in the USA are anti-union. Or at least see them with suspicion. They are widely perceived as a waste of money on dues and just plain kinda unpleasant to deal with. This isn't true for all types. Like welders and pipe fitters tend to like unions, but by and large if unions don't exist it is because nobody (including the workers) wants them. They also don't really like what they perceive as "leftists" either. They much more strongly prefer to identify with somebody like Trump then somebody writing for a Marxist online website. There are exceptions to this, of course. Like if you live in a large city, especially predominately "Blue" area you are going to see a lot of people running around trying to advocate for unions and such things. But that isn't normal for the rest of the country. There is a lot of literature spent discussing this sort of thing... Why American workers are largely very conservative. Back in the 1960/70s when student groups went around in working class areas of the country and tried to organize labor... a lot of them ended up hospitals as a result of their efforts. This is why Marxists don't go around making murals about the greatness of the working men anymore.

trod1234 2y ago

That's largely because the power of unions was destroyed in the 1970s by Ronald Reagan, he set the example and playbook that all modern union breaking corporations today follow. There was also the many precedents set during the height of judicial activism, which is why we, arguably, don't have a rule of law anymore today, but mostly it was the breaking of PATCO by Reagan.