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The easier explanation is a higher power seeded life here. If you find a functioning phone on a beach, you don't just think a bunch of silicon molecules just ev
by muzani 2y ago
The easier explanation is a higher power seeded life here. If you find a functioning phone on a beach, you don't just think a bunch of silicon molecules just evolved into a phone over millions of years. Someone is manipulating those molecules via complex processes.
Most of the universe is entirely predictable. Planets and stars go in predictable orbits for billions of years. Climates are fairly predictable. But as soon as there's a tiny bit of life, the behavior of a planet becomes unpredictable.
We already have space travel. We have artificial satellites. We have radio signals. In a century, we'll have colonized other planets. In a millenia, we would be changing climates on planets or polluting the universe with more satellites. Nukes are supposedly visible from space. So it's surprising we haven't seen this behavior in the rest of the universe. But an advanced enough civilization may have learned how to clean up after themselves and hide all traces.
As far as life goes, we've been around for 5 billion years. There's enough space out there for life to have emerged 8 billion years ago. Even with just a billion or so years of tech head start elsewhere, they should be far ahead of us. Arguably they'd be so far ahead of us that they'd be godlike in comparison.
Where does this higher power come from? There's a lot of answers, but it's sensible seeing that there are other hierarchies. We are a higher power. Higher than cells, molecules, electrons, quarks. Earth may well be some kind of chip or an egg farm. Maybe our purpose as a species is heating up the planet for some kind of galactic yeast.
- AndyNemmity 2y agoOr you believe we are not a higher power, and are equally relevant permutations of the reality of the universe.
- nis0s 2y agoI think the bigger the claim, the bigger the evidence should be which supports it.
- satvikpendem 2y ago> The easier explanation is a higher power seeded life here. If you find a functioning phone on a beach, you don't just think a bunch of silicon molecules just evolved into a phone over millions of years. Someone is manipulating those molecules via complex processes. You should read The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins as it directly refutes your claims. This is not a new debate in the field of theology.
- muzani 2y agoThere might be a misunderstanding here, as it seems similar to other arguments. I'm not saying evolution cannot create eyes or intelligent life. I'm saying evolution cannot create mobile phones. I'm not saying evolution does not exist. It is a self-organizing system. But it's the weakest and slowest one of all. It is nature for systems to self-organize, and create increasingly complex self-organizing systems. A mobile phone is proof that self-organizing systems can be much more powerful than evolution. I am arguing that the billion year head start is long enough for some other lifeform to create a godlike lifeform, which is capable of manipulating us. Dawkins himself literally supports this view in The Blind Watchmaker, "If we want to postulate a deity capable of engineering all the organized complexity in the world, either instantaneously or by guiding evolution, that deity must have been vastly complex in the first place." This is not even capital-G God. It's simply a higher power. Capitalism makes humans need money. Someone farms chickens for eggs. Eggs are eaten by some humans for protein. But the protein creates the eggs, chicken, human, capitalism. Systems evolve from the bottom up. The protein is unaware of their role in capitalism.