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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indiana-plastics-fire-spewed-toxic-chemicals-epa-finds-benzene-rcna79778 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indiana-plast

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indiana-plastics-fire-spewed-toxic-chemicals-epa-finds-benzene-rcna79778 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indiana-plastics-fire-s... >> A plastics fire in Indiana spewed various toxic chemicals into the air, including hydrogen cyanide and benzene, according to test results from the Environmental Protection Agency. >> Officials said Friday that air monitors detected hydrogen cyanide, benzene, chlorine, carbon monoxide and volatile organic compounds in the ground-level smoke.

mavhc 2y ago
Don't set fire to your brain then, problem solved.
- Spooky23 2y ago
  Or leave a PET water bottle in the car.
  - CamperBob2 2y ago
    Because that's exactly like setting it on fire.
    - Spooky23 2y ago
      People don't typically set plastic on fire to inhale the smoke. But leaving a water bottle in a car, where there are often significant thermal changes, results in a leaching of some of those chemicals into the water. Because it's often clear, folks often think that plastic is inert like glass. It is far from it.
      - CamperBob2 2y ago
        The (sub)topic is lead, though. If lead is still being used in plastic water bottles, then I'm with you, that's just nuts. Obviously water bottles should be made from plastics that don't leach anything harmful into the water when left in a hot car. To the extent they do, it should be easy to come up with specific arguments to prohibit specific substances. Just blaming "plastics" in general is a category error, since not all plastics are proven to be harmful in this regard.
rpdillon 2y ago
Burning things can change their toxicity.
adamredwoods 2y ago
Or more specifically, not all plastics are the same. So are they all safe? https://www.bennettplastics.com/is-it-safe-to-microwave-my-food-in-plastic https://www.bennettplastics.com/is-it-safe-to-microwave-my-f... Do we except polystyrene as carcinogenic, if consumed? So don't eat it. Yet we've banned lead paint, because paint chips flake off. So eating paint chips or inhaling paint dust causes lead toxicity. Admittedly we don't think plastic is nearly as toxic, but some scientists argue it's understudied. https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsomega.2c03453 https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsomega.2c03453 >> These adverse effects of PS-MPs [polystyrene] on human kidney and liver cells suggest that ingesting microplastics may lead to toxicological problems on cell metabolism and cell–cell interactions. Because exposing human kidney and liver cells to microplastics results in morphological, metabolic, proliferative changes and cellular stress, these results indicate the potential undesirable effects of microplastics on human health. Lead has been around for a long time, and well studied. The cumulative "we" are just now coming to terms with microplastics. I think the concern is valid for what these microplastics might be doing to our cells. https://sustainability.yale.edu/explainers/yale-experts-explain-microplastics https://sustainability.yale.edu/explainers/yale-experts-expl... >> Anastas goes on to explain that our bodies are accustomed to breaking down, processing, and disposing of natural polymers every day, but newer man-made polymers come with many unknowns. “We just don’t know to what degree these human-made polymers are different and affect our bodies differently,” Anastas explains. “Our bodies evolved to process all of these other natural polymers over countless years, but our bodies and the environment have not been given the chance to evolve to process these man-made polymers.”

mavhc 2y ago

Don't set fire to your brain then, problem solved.

Spooky23 2y ago
Or leave a PET water bottle in the car.
- CamperBob2 2y ago
  Because that's exactly like setting it on fire.
  - Spooky23 2y ago
    People don't typically set plastic on fire to inhale the smoke. But leaving a water bottle in a car, where there are often significant thermal changes, results in a leaching of some of those chemicals into the water. Because it's often clear, folks often think that plastic is inert like glass. It is far from it.
    - CamperBob2 2y ago
      The (sub)topic is lead, though. If lead is still being used in plastic water bottles, then I'm with you, that's just nuts. Obviously water bottles should be made from plastics that don't leach anything harmful into the water when left in a hot car. To the extent they do, it should be easy to come up with specific arguments to prohibit specific substances. Just blaming "plastics" in general is a category error, since not all plastics are proven to be harmful in this regard.

rpdillon 2y ago

Burning things can change their toxicity.

adamredwoods 2y ago

Or more specifically, not all plastics are the same. So are they all safe? https://www.bennettplastics.com/is-it-safe-to-microwave-my-food-in-plastic https://www.bennettplastics.com/is-it-safe-to-microwave-my-f... Do we except polystyrene as carcinogenic, if consumed? So don't eat it. Yet we've banned lead paint, because paint chips flake off. So eating paint chips or inhaling paint dust causes lead toxicity. Admittedly we don't think plastic is nearly as toxic, but some scientists argue it's understudied. https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsomega.2c03453 https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsomega.2c03453 >> These adverse effects of PS-MPs [polystyrene] on human kidney and liver cells suggest that ingesting microplastics may lead to toxicological problems on cell metabolism and cell–cell interactions. Because exposing human kidney and liver cells to microplastics results in morphological, metabolic, proliferative changes and cellular stress, these results indicate the potential undesirable effects of microplastics on human health. Lead has been around for a long time, and well studied. The cumulative "we" are just now coming to terms with microplastics. I think the concern is valid for what these microplastics might be doing to our cells. https://sustainability.yale.edu/explainers/yale-experts-explain-microplastics https://sustainability.yale.edu/explainers/yale-experts-expl... >> Anastas goes on to explain that our bodies are accustomed to breaking down, processing, and disposing of natural polymers every day, but newer man-made polymers come with many unknowns. “We just don’t know to what degree these human-made polymers are different and affect our bodies differently,” Anastas explains. “Our bodies evolved to process all of these other natural polymers over countless years, but our bodies and the environment have not been given the chance to evolve to process these man-made polymers.”