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Yeah, I've struggled to understand this, especially since it seems the belief goes hand-in-hand with a hatred of late-stage capitalism. How are people reconcili

Yeah, I've struggled to understand this, especially since it seems the belief goes hand-in-hand with a hatred of late-stage capitalism. How are people reconciling this? It's clear these companies continue to lobby to make money hand over fist with hardly no interest in the safety or health of their consumers.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> It's clear these companies continue to lobby to make money hand over fist Antivaxxers are a supplements-industry bonanza.
- sepositus 2y ago
  Why did you change the subject?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Why did you change the subject? I didn’t. You cited pharmaceutical profit motive as a reason to suspect vaccines. I’m pointing out that there is a similar motivation in pushing antivax material. The unregulated industry ruthlessly exploiting the masses is more one than the other.
    - sepositus 2y ago
      But that wasn't my point? You picked a sentence and then went on a tangent. My point is that people seem to be somehow holding the competing views I mentioned without any issue. I agree the supplement industry is a massive grift. It seems you assumed I didn't think that? Either way, you did change the subject, and I still have no idea why, other than to just put up a talking point.
      - hedora 2y ago
        The flagged comment implied thinking vaccines work is a religious belief. It’s not. Instead it’s based in observable evidence. I’m reasonably sure quantum mechanics, relativity and chemistry work because my cell phone relies on them, and there are reproducible scientific experiments that test those theories. The same is true of vaccines. If we were well into Trump’s 25th term in office, and no other living being had seen a cell phone turn on, but some underground cult worshipped broken iPhones, then you could argue they had a religious belief in things like relativity and quantum mechanics. That’s not the world we live in. Hell, Mitch McConnell is apparently old enough to remember that Polio vaccines work. (Which is why they let him vote against RFK.)
        sepositus 2y ago
        > What insane is how people on the left have recently developed an almost religious level of faith in statements about pharmaceutical safety from media corporations for whom pharmaceutical companies represent the largest source of advertising income I don't agree with the OP's partisan take on the issue, but nowhere was it said that it takes religious belief to think that vaccines work.
        hedora 2y ago
        “religious level of faith” implies there is not a mountain of publicly accessible evidence showing vaccines are safe and effective, and that instead these people’s beliefs are neither provable nor refutable. I know of no other reasonable definition of religious beliefs.
        sepositus 2y ago
        It's a lot simpler than that. The point of the argument is that some people take the word of these companies without questioning that there might be an alternative motive that doesn't take their safety into account. This would be a "religious level of faith" as it implies a dogmatic adherence to what some person is saying. It has nothing to do with believing vaccines work. It's simply taking things they say with a grain of salt because capitalist forces often encourage them to do the wrong thing.
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JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> It's clear these companies continue to lobby to make money hand over fist Antivaxxers are a supplements-industry bonanza.

sepositus 2y ago
Why did you change the subject?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Why did you change the subject? I didn’t. You cited pharmaceutical profit motive as a reason to suspect vaccines. I’m pointing out that there is a similar motivation in pushing antivax material. The unregulated industry ruthlessly exploiting the masses is more one than the other.
  - sepositus 2y ago
    But that wasn't my point? You picked a sentence and then went on a tangent. My point is that people seem to be somehow holding the competing views I mentioned without any issue. I agree the supplement industry is a massive grift. It seems you assumed I didn't think that? Either way, you did change the subject, and I still have no idea why, other than to just put up a talking point.
    - hedora 2y ago
      The flagged comment implied thinking vaccines work is a religious belief. It’s not. Instead it’s based in observable evidence. I’m reasonably sure quantum mechanics, relativity and chemistry work because my cell phone relies on them, and there are reproducible scientific experiments that test those theories. The same is true of vaccines. If we were well into Trump’s 25th term in office, and no other living being had seen a cell phone turn on, but some underground cult worshipped broken iPhones, then you could argue they had a religious belief in things like relativity and quantum mechanics. That’s not the world we live in. Hell, Mitch McConnell is apparently old enough to remember that Polio vaccines work. (Which is why they let him vote against RFK.)
      - sepositus 2y ago
        > What insane is how people on the left have recently developed an almost religious level of faith in statements about pharmaceutical safety from media corporations for whom pharmaceutical companies represent the largest source of advertising income I don't agree with the OP's partisan take on the issue, but nowhere was it said that it takes religious belief to think that vaccines work.
        hedora 2y ago
        “religious level of faith” implies there is not a mountain of publicly accessible evidence showing vaccines are safe and effective, and that instead these people’s beliefs are neither provable nor refutable. I know of no other reasonable definition of religious beliefs.
        sepositus 2y ago
        It's a lot simpler than that. The point of the argument is that some people take the word of these companies without questioning that there might be an alternative motive that doesn't take their safety into account. This would be a "religious level of faith" as it implies a dogmatic adherence to what some person is saying. It has nothing to do with believing vaccines work. It's simply taking things they say with a grain of salt because capitalist forces often encourage them to do the wrong thing.

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