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"This pressurized tank is doing a great job not leaking, that means it will never leak! Let's keep filling it up, WOO!" Strawmanning you a bit but surely you s

"This pressurized tank is doing a great job not leaking, that means it will never leak! Let's keep filling it up, WOO!" Strawmanning you a bit but surely you see that this line of reasoning leaves a little to be desired?

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> surely you see that this line of reasoning leaves a little to be desired? When responding to innumerate “napkin maths” and a sourceless speculation, on one hand, and a multibillion-dollar practice done by experts, on the other hand, no, not really.
- holocenenough 2y ago
  I didn't make the initial post, and 'unsourced in this particular instance' doesn't mean there's no legitimate basis for OP's claims. To be clear, I'm not anti-CCS, but I have an environmental degree and based on my admittedly nonexpert opinion I agree with OP's assertion that it's not really a solution - it's a temporary measure at best. But yeah I see your point - no multibillion dollar industry filled with experts has ever done anything ill-advised, futile, or environmentally damaging simply for profit. cough corn ethanol Can you imagine how the world would look if that were the case? https://theicct.org/carbon-capture-and-storage-a-lot-of-eggs-in-a-potentially-leaky-basket/ https://theicct.org/carbon-capture-and-storage-a-lot-of-eggs... https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/2024/09/13/leakage-at-first-u-s-carbon-capture-injection-well-proves-that-ccs-cant-work/ https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/2024/09/13/leakage-at-firs... There are a number of scientific papers that are also skeptical about the long-term viability of underground CCS strategies but they're all paywalled so I didn't link them here, but you should seek them out yourself.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > no multibillion dollar industry filled with experts has ever done anything ill-advised, futile, or environmentally damaging simply for profit Sure, they’re scandals. Scandals have sourcing. Not supposition. Someone who assumes industry is always evil isn’t a reliable source. I’ll note that your sources are both credible and the first in this thread.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> surely you see that this line of reasoning leaves a little to be desired? When responding to innumerate “napkin maths” and a sourceless speculation, on one hand, and a multibillion-dollar practice done by experts, on the other hand, no, not really.

holocenenough 2y ago
I didn't make the initial post, and 'unsourced in this particular instance' doesn't mean there's no legitimate basis for OP's claims. To be clear, I'm not anti-CCS, but I have an environmental degree and based on my admittedly nonexpert opinion I agree with OP's assertion that it's not really a solution - it's a temporary measure at best. But yeah I see your point - no multibillion dollar industry filled with experts has ever done anything ill-advised, futile, or environmentally damaging simply for profit. cough corn ethanol Can you imagine how the world would look if that were the case? https://theicct.org/carbon-capture-and-storage-a-lot-of-eggs-in-a-potentially-leaky-basket/ https://theicct.org/carbon-capture-and-storage-a-lot-of-eggs... https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/2024/09/13/leakage-at-first-u-s-carbon-capture-injection-well-proves-that-ccs-cant-work/ https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/2024/09/13/leakage-at-firs... There are a number of scientific papers that are also skeptical about the long-term viability of underground CCS strategies but they're all paywalled so I didn't link them here, but you should seek them out yourself.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > no multibillion dollar industry filled with experts has ever done anything ill-advised, futile, or environmentally damaging simply for profit Sure, they’re scandals. Scandals have sourcing. Not supposition. Someone who assumes industry is always evil isn’t a reliable source. I’ll note that your sources are both credible and the first in this thread.