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I dont think India or China will close brand new coal power plants because US middle class has a wallet ache. We are fucked no matter what

by yread 2y ago

lblume 2y ago
China's exports (and by extension, carbon emissions) are driven by American and European demands for cheap products. Drastically decreasing industrial demand would lead to Asian carbon emissions shrinking by a large margin.
leosanchez 2y ago
There is a huge push for rooftop solar in India.
rwyinuse 2y ago
At least China is also doing some good things, like building massive amounts of solar energy, and exporting cheap electric vehicles all around the world. Meanwhile the regime in America is actively attacking climate science and denying the whole issue. Compared to Trump's administration the Chinese Communist party is quite okay from environmental perspective.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  > Compared to Trump's administration the Chinese Communist party is quite okay from environmental perspective. Yet the Chinese government is blocking the export of inputs for Battery and Solar technology to India [0], which incentivizes India to remain using coal and natural gas as a stopgap, as those are sourced from domestic and close allies (Saudi Arabia and now the US) respectively. And China itself has begun expanding coal power capacity at the highest rate in almost 10 years due to energy security concerns [1] Ironically, the Trump admin just gave a massive cash and tech injection into India's civilian nuclear and battery tech industries by starting to ToT American nuclear power plant designs, as well as subsidizing India's critical minerals industry (materials that are used to manufacture batteries and intermediate parts for PEVs) [2] Reality is, no state or leader of a large country actually cares about environmental factors because they can afford to paper the effects, and the brunt of the suffering will affect poorest countries/LDCs that lack that capacity [3] [0] - https://www.straitstimes.com/world/china-export-ban-on-engineers-and-equipment-disrupts-manufacturing-overseas https://www.straitstimes.com/world/china-export-ban-on-engin... [1] - https://apnews.com/article/china-coal-power-plant-carbon-climate-change-ba86e7584e3afe1826eed5cffa25354a https://apnews.com/article/china-coal-power-plant-carbon-cli... [2] - https://in.usembassy.gov/united-states-india-joint-leaders-statement/ https://in.usembassy.gov/united-states-india-joint-leaders-s... [3] - https://www.economist.com/special-report/2022/11/01/the-rich-world-is-wrong-to-think-that-climate-impacts-in-poor-countries-dont-matter https://www.economist.com/special-report/2022/11/01/the-rich...
chanux 2y ago
China China China https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-energy https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-energy

I dont think India or China will close brand new coal power plants because US middle class has a wallet ache. We are fucked no matter what

by yread 2y ago

I dont think India or China will close brand new coal power plants because US middle class has a wallet ache. We are fucked no matter what

lblume 2y ago

China's exports (and by extension, carbon emissions) are driven by American and European demands for cheap products. Drastically decreasing industrial demand would lead to Asian carbon emissions shrinking by a large margin.

leosanchez 2y ago

There is a huge push for rooftop solar in India.

rwyinuse 2y ago

At least China is also doing some good things, like building massive amounts of solar energy, and exporting cheap electric vehicles all around the world. Meanwhile the regime in America is actively attacking climate science and denying the whole issue. Compared to Trump's administration the Chinese Communist party is quite okay from environmental perspective.

alephnerd 2y ago
> Compared to Trump's administration the Chinese Communist party is quite okay from environmental perspective. Yet the Chinese government is blocking the export of inputs for Battery and Solar technology to India [0], which incentivizes India to remain using coal and natural gas as a stopgap, as those are sourced from domestic and close allies (Saudi Arabia and now the US) respectively. And China itself has begun expanding coal power capacity at the highest rate in almost 10 years due to energy security concerns [1] Ironically, the Trump admin just gave a massive cash and tech injection into India's civilian nuclear and battery tech industries by starting to ToT American nuclear power plant designs, as well as subsidizing India's critical minerals industry (materials that are used to manufacture batteries and intermediate parts for PEVs) [2] Reality is, no state or leader of a large country actually cares about environmental factors because they can afford to paper the effects, and the brunt of the suffering will affect poorest countries/LDCs that lack that capacity [3] [0] - https://www.straitstimes.com/world/china-export-ban-on-engineers-and-equipment-disrupts-manufacturing-overseas https://www.straitstimes.com/world/china-export-ban-on-engin... [1] - https://apnews.com/article/china-coal-power-plant-carbon-climate-change-ba86e7584e3afe1826eed5cffa25354a https://apnews.com/article/china-coal-power-plant-carbon-cli... [2] - https://in.usembassy.gov/united-states-india-joint-leaders-statement/ https://in.usembassy.gov/united-states-india-joint-leaders-s... [3] - https://www.economist.com/special-report/2022/11/01/the-rich-world-is-wrong-to-think-that-climate-impacts-in-poor-countries-dont-matter https://www.economist.com/special-report/2022/11/01/the-rich...

chanux 2y ago

China China China https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-energy https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-energy