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> Nope, the Bindel incident was in 2019. Here (God help me) is GB news saying the same thing: https://www.gbnews.com/news/feminist-writer-julie-bindel-tra https

> Nope, the Bindel incident was in 2019. Here (God help me) is GB news saying the same thing: https://www.gbnews.com/news/feminist-writer-julie-bindel-tra https://www.gbnews.com/news/feminist-writer-julie-bindel-tra... There's also a Times article behind a paywall that I think confirms it. Fair enough, appreciate the clarification. > The Pearson incident happened more recently but had nothing to do with trans issues It's still what can be described as thought policing. As I keep saying this is part of a trend in your country. How many incidents would it take for you to concede that? These types of examples you are working to dismiss are flat out not happening in other western countries. > The Police just logged someone's report of one of his tweets under a specifically non-criminal category. They're required to do this because someone reported the tweet and they have to keep a record of that. That's still very much a problem. Now we have thought cataloging for use against people later on. His tweet was logged as a 'hate incident' - that's not nothing. > The freespeechunion article similarly seems to be about cases where the police have correctly recorded someone's complaint and then correctly done nothing about it They are logging incidents as 'hate incidents', again, that's not nothing. And the fact the the police are involved at all and showing up to talk to people who shared their thoughts is the problem here. The fact that no action was taking is basically completely irrelevant to the problem of people being intimidated by cops for sharing thoughts, and yes, cops showing up is enough to count as intimidation. "In Warwickshire, a suspect was recorded by the force for refusing to shake a person’s hand," That should be completely unacceptable and you should agree that that alone is Orwellian or uncomfortably close to it. And it's not like there are not still more incidents. Gender critical feminists moved to their own platforms but still report such issues - not every issue gets a newspaper story (and I see a lot of these posts which is why I've said there were at least 20 incidents), but given 13,200 incidents were logged in the year from June 2023 to June 2024 and 25% of those were wrongly recorded, that seems like a lot of unnecessary intimidation and intrusion.

hnlmorg 2y ago
Meanwhile in your country, the police kill people just for being black. I know what I’d consider more worrying and it isn’t the police recording things (which literally just mean they’ve investigated a complaint) and deciding those frivolous complaints don’t deserve any action.
- kennysoona 2y ago
  lol, more whataboutisms. Yes, race issues in the US are a huge issue. That doesn't mean thought policing in the UK isn't also a huge issue. The difference is I don't deny the issues you mention, nor do I try to deflect by referring to, say, the growing bladed weapons epidemic in the UK. For someone that said they were done when asked to provide sources, you're participating in this discussion more than I would have expected. Is this what you consider 'being done', writing low-effort fallacious comments? > (which literally just mean they’ve investigated a complaint) It means they showed up to grill people over thoughts, and it's baffling how you don't see that as an issue.
  - hnlmorg 2y ago
    We’ve demonstrated how that doesn’t actually happen though. You’re the one refusing to accept the evidence. And my point about your police force is saying perhaps you should spend more energy addressing your own country’s problems before making incorrect judgments about others.
    - kennysoona 2y ago
      I thought you were done? > We’ve demonstrated how that doesn’t actually happen though. You’re the one refusing to accept the evidence. The other user stated nothing had happened since 2019, and there was an incident in 2024. The examples you've provided are not equivalent to the examples in the UK you are trying t o map them to. You showed no equivalent to people being arrested for white paper protests, the last examples in the US were in the 70s. Additionally, 2500s NCHI were incorrectly reported, and you haven't addressed that as well. That someone has to talk to cops at all for not wanting to shake hands is as scary as it is ridiculous, and its frankly bizarre you want to downplay and dismiss it. Exactly what evidence is it you think I am refusing to accept? If you can be clear (and I expect you won't be able to because you've only been vague so far and frankly I doubt your claims have substance, which is why out of frustration your resorted to vulgarity and insults, and why when I asked you for links you claimed it was too much effort but here you still are replying...), then I can tell you exactly what issues I have with each item and there can be some productive discussion on the merits of my arguments. > And my point about your police force is saying perhaps you should spend more energy addressing your own country’s problems Yes, that's exactly what a whataboutism is. It's literally a perfect example. > before making incorrect judgments about others. So far, the evidence supports my claim, and the evidence from the both of you has the other user falsely claiming there were no incidents after 2019 and you equating unrelated non-equivalent incidents in other countries to incidents in the UK. Not at all convincing, and frankly seems rather desperate. If your searches are failing to turn up sufficient evidence, you should maybe consider that your point doesn't have the backing you assume it does.

hnlmorg 2y ago

Meanwhile in your country, the police kill people just for being black. I know what I’d consider more worrying and it isn’t the police recording things (which literally just mean they’ve investigated a complaint) and deciding those frivolous complaints don’t deserve any action.

kennysoona 2y ago
lol, more whataboutisms. Yes, race issues in the US are a huge issue. That doesn't mean thought policing in the UK isn't also a huge issue. The difference is I don't deny the issues you mention, nor do I try to deflect by referring to, say, the growing bladed weapons epidemic in the UK. For someone that said they were done when asked to provide sources, you're participating in this discussion more than I would have expected. Is this what you consider 'being done', writing low-effort fallacious comments? > (which literally just mean they’ve investigated a complaint) It means they showed up to grill people over thoughts, and it's baffling how you don't see that as an issue.
- hnlmorg 2y ago
  We’ve demonstrated how that doesn’t actually happen though. You’re the one refusing to accept the evidence. And my point about your police force is saying perhaps you should spend more energy addressing your own country’s problems before making incorrect judgments about others.
  - kennysoona 2y ago
    I thought you were done? > We’ve demonstrated how that doesn’t actually happen though. You’re the one refusing to accept the evidence. The other user stated nothing had happened since 2019, and there was an incident in 2024. The examples you've provided are not equivalent to the examples in the UK you are trying t o map them to. You showed no equivalent to people being arrested for white paper protests, the last examples in the US were in the 70s. Additionally, 2500s NCHI were incorrectly reported, and you haven't addressed that as well. That someone has to talk to cops at all for not wanting to shake hands is as scary as it is ridiculous, and its frankly bizarre you want to downplay and dismiss it. Exactly what evidence is it you think I am refusing to accept? If you can be clear (and I expect you won't be able to because you've only been vague so far and frankly I doubt your claims have substance, which is why out of frustration your resorted to vulgarity and insults, and why when I asked you for links you claimed it was too much effort but here you still are replying...), then I can tell you exactly what issues I have with each item and there can be some productive discussion on the merits of my arguments. > And my point about your police force is saying perhaps you should spend more energy addressing your own country’s problems Yes, that's exactly what a whataboutism is. It's literally a perfect example. > before making incorrect judgments about others. So far, the evidence supports my claim, and the evidence from the both of you has the other user falsely claiming there were no incidents after 2019 and you equating unrelated non-equivalent incidents in other countries to incidents in the UK. Not at all convincing, and frankly seems rather desperate. If your searches are failing to turn up sufficient evidence, you should maybe consider that your point doesn't have the backing you assume it does.