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Kleene as a Container Management Platform for FreeBSD

62 points by rodrigo975 2y ago

nesarkvechnep 2y ago
I hope OCI images for FreeBSD really take off. There too many tools which do jail management.
- doublepg23 2y ago
  When I was investigating jails it seemed like the building blocks were there but any project to make a Docker-esque solution got abandoned after some time.
  - mrpippy 2y ago
    Podman is in an experimental state for FreeBSD 14, and can even run Linux containers using the Linux binary emulation. https://podman.io/docs/installation#installing-on-freebsd-140 https://podman.io/docs/installation#installing-on-freebsd-14... (I'm personally using it now to run the ArchiveTeam Warrior docker container on FreeBSD, albeit with a few hiccups)
    - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
      > albeit with a few hiccups Can you talk about where the current pain points are?
      - sunshine-o 2y ago
        Probably the biggest problem is for now everything still needs to run as root.
        doublepg23 2y ago
        When I was trying to replace Docker with rootless Podman on Linux I had enough hiccups there I just scrapped it.
  - craftkiller 2y ago
    BastilleBSD has commits from earlier today and is a Docker-esque solution for jails: https://github.com/BastilleBSD/bastille https://github.com/BastilleBSD/bastille
ggm 2y ago
Syntax like Dockerfiles means a lot. Does it manage compositions and the intermediate states towards the final outcome and is there Docker2Kleene conversion tooling?
sunshine-o 2y ago
I believe it is necessary for FreeBSD to get OCI and Dockerfile compatibility to stay in the game and attract curious users. BUT I personally started using Jails because I really got tired of the "Docker" workflow and ergonomics. After 25 years Jails are almost perfectly integrated in the OS. You will find an '-j' option in most command and of course ZFS make everything better. It is actually so good that you might not even need a management tool like Bastille or iocage in many cases...

3 ms·

Kleene as a Container Management Platform for FreeBSD

62 points by rodrigo975 2y ago

nesarkvechnep 2y ago
I hope OCI images for FreeBSD really take off. There too many tools which do jail management.
- doublepg23 2y ago
  When I was investigating jails it seemed like the building blocks were there but any project to make a Docker-esque solution got abandoned after some time.
  - mrpippy 2y ago
    Podman is in an experimental state for FreeBSD 14, and can even run Linux containers using the Linux binary emulation. https://podman.io/docs/installation#installing-on-freebsd-140 https://podman.io/docs/installation#installing-on-freebsd-14... (I'm personally using it now to run the ArchiveTeam Warrior docker container on FreeBSD, albeit with a few hiccups)
    - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
      > albeit with a few hiccups Can you talk about where the current pain points are?
      - sunshine-o 2y ago
        Probably the biggest problem is for now everything still needs to run as root.
        doublepg23 2y ago
        When I was trying to replace Docker with rootless Podman on Linux I had enough hiccups there I just scrapped it.
  - craftkiller 2y ago
    BastilleBSD has commits from earlier today and is a Docker-esque solution for jails: https://github.com/BastilleBSD/bastille https://github.com/BastilleBSD/bastille
ggm 2y ago
Syntax like Dockerfiles means a lot. Does it manage compositions and the intermediate states towards the final outcome and is there Docker2Kleene conversion tooling?
sunshine-o 2y ago
I believe it is necessary for FreeBSD to get OCI and Dockerfile compatibility to stay in the game and attract curious users. BUT I personally started using Jails because I really got tired of the "Docker" workflow and ergonomics. After 25 years Jails are almost perfectly integrated in the OS. You will find an '-j' option in most command and of course ZFS make everything better. It is actually so good that you might not even need a management tool like Bastille or iocage in many cases...