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Well, not that I like the mentality but it's a hardline one. By not voting for Harris and making her lose it means next cycle people have to care about your op

Well, not that I like the mentality but it's a hardline one. By not voting for Harris and making her lose it means next cycle people have to care about your opinion to get elected. It's the opposite of when Progressives don't like a Democrat's proposal but still vote for it; it means the Democrats don't have to negotiate with them because they're getting the vote anyways.

tombert 2y ago
Sure, I guess what frustrates me is that they're effectively saying that having Trump is office than having another Democrat, because of some abstract "long game" that they think will happen. It's honestly pretty fucking dismissive of people who are affected by Trump's regressive policies. "It sucks that you got deported but maybe in fifteen years you'll thank me because we will have a proper progressive in office to fix problems that are really important but apparently impossible for us to actually enumerate with any kind of consistency".
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > It's honestly pretty fucking dismissive of people who are affected by Trump's regressive policies Like the Gazans! The American Palestinian movement has been 100% about the protesters themselves. Not the Palestinians. The Defund the Police and Chesa crowd found a new cause to ruin. Folks who have never been to both countries confidently redrawing borders on another continent, the new Sykes and Picot.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> By not voting for Harris and making her lose it means next cycle people have to care about your opinion to get elected No? It makes you electorally irrelevant. Possibly toxic. Trump has carte blanche with Gaza because it’s not an issue any senior Democrat is willing to fight for after the Palestine vote proved both mercurial and unreliable. Hell, I’m experiencing some schadenfreude with the whole thing. The way to play it is to bloc vote in primaries and then reliably turn out in generals. See: the NRA.
mullingitover 2y ago
What they think will happen: > By not voting for Harris and making her lose it means next cycle people have to care about your opinion to get elected What actually happens: The party rationally writes off this flaky voting bloc as not worth the effort, and instead goes further to the right.

tombert 2y ago

Sure, I guess what frustrates me is that they're effectively saying that having Trump is office than having another Democrat, because of some abstract "long game" that they think will happen. It's honestly pretty fucking dismissive of people who are affected by Trump's regressive policies. "It sucks that you got deported but maybe in fifteen years you'll thank me because we will have a proper progressive in office to fix problems that are really important but apparently impossible for us to actually enumerate with any kind of consistency".

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> It's honestly pretty fucking dismissive of people who are affected by Trump's regressive policies Like the Gazans! The American Palestinian movement has been 100% about the protesters themselves. Not the Palestinians. The Defund the Police and Chesa crowd found a new cause to ruin. Folks who have never been to both countries confidently redrawing borders on another continent, the new Sykes and Picot.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> By not voting for Harris and making her lose it means next cycle people have to care about your opinion to get elected No? It makes you electorally irrelevant. Possibly toxic. Trump has carte blanche with Gaza because it’s not an issue any senior Democrat is willing to fight for after the Palestine vote proved both mercurial and unreliable. Hell, I’m experiencing some schadenfreude with the whole thing. The way to play it is to bloc vote in primaries and then reliably turn out in generals. See: the NRA.

mullingitover 2y ago

What they think will happen: > By not voting for Harris and making her lose it means next cycle people have to care about your opinion to get elected What actually happens: The party rationally writes off this flaky voting bloc as not worth the effort, and instead goes further to the right.