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> They don't want to have to understand DNS, linux, or anything else beyond whatever framework they are using. This is baffling. What’s value proposition here?

> They don't want to have to understand DNS, linux, or anything else beyond whatever framework they are using. This is baffling. What’s value proposition here? At some point customer will be directly asking an AI agent to create an app for them and it will take care of coding/deployment for them..

metaltyphoon 2y ago
The value proposition is that you know how to fix something, when it eventually break, because you don’t fundamentally understand.
- oarsinsync 2y ago
  GPT usually writes code that eventually (often immediately) breaks. When given the failure mode, it usually fixes the issue (and often creates a new one, GOTO 10)
unification_fan 2y ago
Some people became software developers because they like learning and knowing what they're doing, and why and how it works. Some people became software developers because they wanted to make easy money back when the industry was still advertising bootcamps (in order to drive down the cost of developers). Some people simply drifted into this profession by inertia. And everything in-between. From my experience there are a lot of developers who don't take pride in their work, and just do it because it pays the bills. I wouldn't want to be them but I get it. The thing is that by delegating all their knowledge to the tools they use, they are making themselves easy to replace, when the time comes. And if they have to fix something on their own, they can't. Because they don't understand why and how it works, and how and why it became what it is instead of something else. So they call me and ask me how that thing works...
- jval43 2y ago
  This is my experience as well. I answer many such calls from devs as part of my work. I can usually tell at the end of a call which group they belong to. I've been wrong a few times too. As long as they don't waste my time I'm fine with everyone, some people just have other priorities in life. One thing I'd say is in my experience there are many competent and capable people in every group, but non-competent ones are extremely rare in the first group.

metaltyphoon 2y ago

The value proposition is that you know how to fix something, when it eventually break, because you don’t fundamentally understand.

oarsinsync 2y ago
GPT usually writes code that eventually (often immediately) breaks. When given the failure mode, it usually fixes the issue (and often creates a new one, GOTO 10)

unification_fan 2y ago

Some people became software developers because they like learning and knowing what they're doing, and why and how it works. Some people became software developers because they wanted to make easy money back when the industry was still advertising bootcamps (in order to drive down the cost of developers). Some people simply drifted into this profession by inertia. And everything in-between. From my experience there are a lot of developers who don't take pride in their work, and just do it because it pays the bills. I wouldn't want to be them but I get it. The thing is that by delegating all their knowledge to the tools they use, they are making themselves easy to replace, when the time comes. And if they have to fix something on their own, they can't. Because they don't understand why and how it works, and how and why it became what it is instead of something else. So they call me and ask me how that thing works...

jval43 2y ago
This is my experience as well. I answer many such calls from devs as part of my work. I can usually tell at the end of a call which group they belong to. I've been wrong a few times too. As long as they don't waste my time I'm fine with everyone, some people just have other priorities in life. One thing I'd say is in my experience there are many competent and capable people in every group, but non-competent ones are extremely rare in the first group.