> Well, no, it's not a world away from that, because one of the major effects of estrogen on men is to affect androgen levels You can't say 'ohh it doesn't see

> Well, no, it's not a world away from that, because one of the major effects of estrogen on men is to affect androgen levels You can't say 'ohh it doesn't seem to decrease T levels, so it must not be estrogenic!' It could still product other estrogen like effects. > but it puts a huge hole in the entire basis for thinking that they might How so? There are so many other ways for the isoflavones to affect the body besides lowering T levels. We already know that there are a number of people reporting feminization, health, and gastro symptoms from consuming unfermented soy products. That's hard to ignore. Something is going on.