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It would be a lot easier if they weren't so god-dammned stupid and plausibly evil. I do not feel the need to compromise with "White Power" or "We need to find

It would be a lot easier if they weren't so god-dammned stupid and plausibly evil. I do not feel the need to compromise with "White Power" or "We need to find a way to safely inject bleach".

squigz 2y ago
That isn't what I'm suggesting, and the fact you jump to that conclusion is precisely what I'm referring to...
- slater 2y ago
  How would you compromise with "white power"?
  - squigz 2y ago
    Y'all really doubling down on this whole "77 million people are white supremacists" huh? You understand this means that the other 75 million people are actually looking to mutilate children, destroy the concepts of sex and gender, abolish all of the police, and are aggressively racist against white people, right?
    - aisenik 2y ago
      They voted for people that are working to reinstitute Jim Crow apartheid, are pushing for ethnic cleansing in Gaza and the hostile annexation of Canada, canceled federal celebrations of MLK Jr. Day, put tattooed white supremacists in charge of the US Military apparatus, think "there are good people" on both sides of a white supremacist terror attack on Americans, turned Guantanamo Bay into a concentration camp while furiously deporting immigrants of color yet opening the door to white people aggrieved by the aftermath of the fall of South African Apartheid, and constantly boost/reply/repost white supremacist propaganda including normalizing white replacement theory. Just a short list of real things off the top of my head. It's possible that their perspective on the outgroup is not entirely "fair and balanced." As a white American the concept of "racist against white people" is laughable. The right's obsessive persecution complex while enjoying the bounties of the greatest empire of human history is childish in the extreme. Like toddlers, but with the power to destroy all of human civilization.
    - insane_dreamer 2y ago
      75 million people don't care that the person they voted for attempted a coup by trying to have the results of an election overturned. They may not all be white supremacists, but they sure don't support democracy. And that's dangerous.
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    - alxjrvs 2y ago
      Because I'm annoyed when people get it wrong - Children aren't being mutilated and anyone who believes this is a willing mark or has a toddlers understanding of science - the concept of "Gender" is actually very important to a lot of trans folks, as it turns out. My "Sex" is about as relevant to my day to day as my blood type, and I think people who obsess about my chromosomes are fucking weird - We should abolish all the police - got me there. - White people don't exist as a racial category with any meaningful definition except as a catch-all for groups meant to exclude. It's not a race, it's a country club with a pantone guide. Hope that helps, and I hope you find whatever it is you are looking for.
      - squigz 2y ago
        In case it wasn't obvious... I was not being serious. I was trying to point out the reverse of the logic being applied to the right.
        alxjrvs 2y ago
        Fwiw, the examples don't do a great job of that, imo. One of those descriptions is factually true, whereas the other contains mostly juicy propaganda talking points. (And, as I pointed out, some real ones!) But, to put a fine point on it, literally zero children are being mutilated (in the context this statement is typically brought about, "children being forcibly transitioned against their will by their parents, including surgery", which is deeply false), but there are white supremacists in the government, without room for equivocation or debate. Even in the context of absurdity, they are not equally absurd claims. You took an accurate portrayal of the right in America (perhaps assuming it was absurd?) and compared it against...the right's propaganda view of the "left". This is why it was not "Obvious". And, to be clear; conservatives are already saying that! Your average trump voter thinks that there are litter boxes in schools! They literally think that! I'm not going to be nice and lie about their capacity for goodness while they seek to eliminate me and my pals (or, at best, casually don't care about voting for the folks who want to eliminate me and my pals, which, you know? Fuck em.)
        squigz 2y ago
grandempire 2y ago
> We need to find a way to safely inject bleach This is fake news that one search will clear up for you. Please stop repeating it.
- alxjrvs 2y ago
  > “We tested bleach,” he said at one point. “I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes.” > “A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world,” Trump began, clearly thinking the question himself, “So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that, too. It sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that.” To read this in any other way than "The president suggested we blast people with UV rays or inject them with disinfectant - such as bleach, the disinfectant he just mentioned as being effective" feels like a tremendous amount of mental gymnastics, bordering on willful ignorance. Cross your eyes and maybe I'm being flippant about "bleach", wherein he only merely suggested injecting "disinfectant", which renders him a genius, I imagine? He ranted about two common disinfectant strategies for inorganic materials and suggested they use them on people, because he's not particularly bright. Edit: Also worth mentioning that the following day when asked what he meant by that, he did not say "I did not ask about injecting bleach", he said "I asked about that sarcastically". > I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen … I was asking a sarcastic, and a very sarcastic, question to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside. But it does kill it, and it would kill it on the hands and that would make things much better. That was done in the form of a sarcastic question to the reporters. So it would appear not even Mr. Trump agrees with your statement.
  - grandempire 2y ago
    I stand by my comment. Thank you for sharing the full quote. > I'm being flippant about "bleach", wherein he only merely suggested injecting "disinfectant" Yes. Fact: trump did not say to inject bleach. He also did not tell the public to inject anything.

It would be a lot easier if they weren't so god-dammned stupid and plausibly evil. I do not feel the need to compromise with "White Power" or "We need to find a way to safely inject bleach".

squigz 2y ago

That isn't what I'm suggesting, and the fact you jump to that conclusion is precisely what I'm referring to...

slater 2y ago
How would you compromise with "white power"?
- squigz 2y ago
  Y'all really doubling down on this whole "77 million people are white supremacists" huh? You understand this means that the other 75 million people are actually looking to mutilate children, destroy the concepts of sex and gender, abolish all of the police, and are aggressively racist against white people, right?
  - aisenik 2y ago
    They voted for people that are working to reinstitute Jim Crow apartheid, are pushing for ethnic cleansing in Gaza and the hostile annexation of Canada, canceled federal celebrations of MLK Jr. Day, put tattooed white supremacists in charge of the US Military apparatus, think "there are good people" on both sides of a white supremacist terror attack on Americans, turned Guantanamo Bay into a concentration camp while furiously deporting immigrants of color yet opening the door to white people aggrieved by the aftermath of the fall of South African Apartheid, and constantly boost/reply/repost white supremacist propaganda including normalizing white replacement theory. Just a short list of real things off the top of my head. It's possible that their perspective on the outgroup is not entirely "fair and balanced." As a white American the concept of "racist against white people" is laughable. The right's obsessive persecution complex while enjoying the bounties of the greatest empire of human history is childish in the extreme. Like toddlers, but with the power to destroy all of human civilization.
  - insane_dreamer 2y ago
    75 million people don't care that the person they voted for attempted a coup by trying to have the results of an election overturned. They may not all be white supremacists, but they sure don't support democracy. And that's dangerous.
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  - alxjrvs 2y ago
    Because I'm annoyed when people get it wrong - Children aren't being mutilated and anyone who believes this is a willing mark or has a toddlers understanding of science - the concept of "Gender" is actually very important to a lot of trans folks, as it turns out. My "Sex" is about as relevant to my day to day as my blood type, and I think people who obsess about my chromosomes are fucking weird - We should abolish all the police - got me there. - White people don't exist as a racial category with any meaningful definition except as a catch-all for groups meant to exclude. It's not a race, it's a country club with a pantone guide. Hope that helps, and I hope you find whatever it is you are looking for.
    - squigz 2y ago
      In case it wasn't obvious... I was not being serious. I was trying to point out the reverse of the logic being applied to the right.
      - alxjrvs 2y ago
        Fwiw, the examples don't do a great job of that, imo. One of those descriptions is factually true, whereas the other contains mostly juicy propaganda talking points. (And, as I pointed out, some real ones!) But, to put a fine point on it, literally zero children are being mutilated (in the context this statement is typically brought about, "children being forcibly transitioned against their will by their parents, including surgery", which is deeply false), but there are white supremacists in the government, without room for equivocation or debate. Even in the context of absurdity, they are not equally absurd claims. You took an accurate portrayal of the right in America (perhaps assuming it was absurd?) and compared it against...the right's propaganda view of the "left". This is why it was not "Obvious". And, to be clear; conservatives are already saying that! Your average trump voter thinks that there are litter boxes in schools! They literally think that! I'm not going to be nice and lie about their capacity for goodness while they seek to eliminate me and my pals (or, at best, casually don't care about voting for the folks who want to eliminate me and my pals, which, you know? Fuck em.)
        squigz 2y ago

grandempire 2y ago

> We need to find a way to safely inject bleach This is fake news that one search will clear up for you. Please stop repeating it.

alxjrvs 2y ago
> “We tested bleach,” he said at one point. “I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes.” > “A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world,” Trump began, clearly thinking the question himself, “So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that, too. It sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that.” To read this in any other way than "The president suggested we blast people with UV rays or inject them with disinfectant - such as bleach, the disinfectant he just mentioned as being effective" feels like a tremendous amount of mental gymnastics, bordering on willful ignorance. Cross your eyes and maybe I'm being flippant about "bleach", wherein he only merely suggested injecting "disinfectant", which renders him a genius, I imagine? He ranted about two common disinfectant strategies for inorganic materials and suggested they use them on people, because he's not particularly bright. Edit: Also worth mentioning that the following day when asked what he meant by that, he did not say "I did not ask about injecting bleach", he said "I asked about that sarcastically". > I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen … I was asking a sarcastic, and a very sarcastic, question to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside. But it does kill it, and it would kill it on the hands and that would make things much better. That was done in the form of a sarcastic question to the reporters. So it would appear not even Mr. Trump agrees with your statement.
- grandempire 2y ago
  I stand by my comment. Thank you for sharing the full quote. > I'm being flippant about "bleach", wherein he only merely suggested injecting "disinfectant" Yes. Fact: trump did not say to inject bleach. He also did not tell the public to inject anything.