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> how many still currently active companies participated in the rise to power of WW2 Hitler Yeah, it's often a surprise how fascism has historically been entwi

by n4r9 2y ago

> how many still currently active companies participated in the rise to power of WW2 Hitler Yeah, it's often a surprise how fascism has historically been entwined with corporatism. Putting the word "socialist" between "national" and "party" was a meaningless but ingenious marketing ploy.

cobertos 2y ago
I think there has to be a balance? Hitler clashed and pushed out Hugenberg (the German media mogul/early Nazi party financier) over his potential policies being "too detrimental to the poor/working class". Hitler then found financing elsewhere (from the banker mentioned in the article). The national appeal was sincere, which I have to imagine is why it gained any traction in the first place.
Aloisius 2y ago
Why is it a surprise? Corporatism (not to be confused with corporatocracy) was one of the main tenants of Fascism (capital F) which various fascist movements of the era emulated in some way or another. Germany's corporatism though was a lot weaker than Italy's; corporatist bodies like labor unions and trade groups never got any legislative power. Of course, these days corporatism is more associated with social democracy.
- n4r9 2y ago
  I think it's a surprise because dictatorships are typically seen as having full control over everything (inc production / economy) and because of a continued pernicious narrative that Hitler was a socialist.
  - Aloisius 2y ago
    Corporatism allows for control. With corporatism, a dictator only needs to control the relatively small number of guilds (sector wide corporazioni in case of Italy) to control the economy. This is a huge step up, in terms of control, from capitalism for a dictator, while not nearly as hard to implement (and in the Nazi's case, not nearly as linked to Jews) as socialism. The Nazis though didn't really implement corporatism to quite the same level as others. In many ways, they were quite capitalistic - "privatization" was, after all, coined to describe the philosophy of the Nazi economy. In industries related to the war, they looked more like a command economy.
    - Gibbon1 2y ago
      A thing I read was the Nazi's changed the rules on how much assets were needed to incorporate. That lead to small businesses either merging or dissolving. Lenny Bruce had a joke about how people got tired of having beat up people themselves. So they hired cops. Who are perfectly happy to beat them as well. My distillation. If you see someone do something shitty to someone else, stick around and they'll do it to you too. Obligatory Bevis: Not me! The cow!
Pommo88 2y ago
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by n4r9 2y ago

cobertos 2y ago

I think there has to be a balance? Hitler clashed and pushed out Hugenberg (the German media mogul/early Nazi party financier) over his potential policies being "too detrimental to the poor/working class". Hitler then found financing elsewhere (from the banker mentioned in the article). The national appeal was sincere, which I have to imagine is why it gained any traction in the first place.

Aloisius 2y ago

Why is it a surprise? Corporatism (not to be confused with corporatocracy) was one of the main tenants of Fascism (capital F) which various fascist movements of the era emulated in some way or another. Germany's corporatism though was a lot weaker than Italy's; corporatist bodies like labor unions and trade groups never got any legislative power. Of course, these days corporatism is more associated with social democracy.

n4r9 2y ago
I think it's a surprise because dictatorships are typically seen as having full control over everything (inc production / economy) and because of a continued pernicious narrative that Hitler was a socialist.
- Aloisius 2y ago
  Corporatism allows for control. With corporatism, a dictator only needs to control the relatively small number of guilds (sector wide corporazioni in case of Italy) to control the economy. This is a huge step up, in terms of control, from capitalism for a dictator, while not nearly as hard to implement (and in the Nazi's case, not nearly as linked to Jews) as socialism. The Nazis though didn't really implement corporatism to quite the same level as others. In many ways, they were quite capitalistic - "privatization" was, after all, coined to describe the philosophy of the Nazi economy. In industries related to the war, they looked more like a command economy.
  - Gibbon1 2y ago
    A thing I read was the Nazi's changed the rules on how much assets were needed to incorporate. That lead to small businesses either merging or dissolving. Lenny Bruce had a joke about how people got tired of having beat up people themselves. So they hired cops. Who are perfectly happy to beat them as well. My distillation. If you see someone do something shitty to someone else, stick around and they'll do it to you too. Obligatory Bevis: Not me! The cow!

Pommo88 2y ago

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