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Dude has been department head for a day? Do we have such little faith that we judge a person before a single stroke of the pen? While historical actions do spea

Dude has been department head for a day? Do we have such little faith that we judge a person before a single stroke of the pen? While historical actions do speak loud, having a bad past does not mean you are a bad person. Nor does it mean your policies will reflect your personal beliefs. There have been tons of individuals who set aside their beliefs and done a fantastic job.

csoups14 2y ago
We're supposed to withhold judgment on somebody who has directly led to the deaths of several dozen children? Are you really implying there is no one who is better qualified to lead HHS?
- dubcanada 2y ago
  Does it sound like I am suggesting that? That's certainly not my question. I don't think RFK should be anywhere near anything. But he is. So the only option is to accept that, and hold off judging someone until bad policies are released. It's entirely possible RFK feels extreme regret for such incident and wishes to help prevent it from happening again. It's also entirely possible RFK will do a decent job, just like it's possible he will be replaced in 6 months. There is some validity in his comments, US is not healthy, there is extreme dietary issues, lack of exercise and eating terribly is rampant. But nobody complained about any other department head for not trying to solve that issue. But his past is very loudly negative.
  - sundaeofshock 2y ago
    Let’s hold off on judging the bull we just released in the china shop unitl he has time to wander around in there for a while.
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
      That's an interesting analogy. If I recall correctly, Mythbusters put a bull in a china shop and found that the bull avoided the shelves and didn't break anything.
      - Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
        But this is an RFK analogy, so its more likely he'd decapitate the bull with a chainsaw then dump its body in central park.
  - analog31 2y ago
    We can always update our priors if we're proven wrong about these people. What's wrong with having expectations? Somebody must have had an expectation, otherwise how were they selected? Why do we keep hearing over and over that they need forgiveness?
SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
You're correct that I don't expect RFK's policies to necessarily follow his personal beliefs. He's previously mentioned being pro-choice, and this admin is against that, so he's already changed his tune there. But no, I don't expect him to change that much. Just last night he was on Fox saying how we don't have good data on the COVID vaccines.
kacesensitive 2y ago
RFK Jr. has a long track record of spreading pseudoscience, conspiracy theories, and misinformation—issues that go beyond personal beliefs and directly impact decision-making. Trusting him to govern rationally ignores the fact that his entire brand is built on anti-vaccine rhetoric and a general rejection of scientific consensus. Leaders who have successfully set aside personal beliefs to govern effectively typically have a history of pragmatism, not one of doubling down on disinformation. If someone has spent years pushing harmful falsehoods, there's little reason to believe they'll suddenly embrace reality when in power.
lazyeye 2y ago
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avgDev 2y ago
Just think about this statement for a second. If you know someone has done terrible things, why would they change once they acquire more power? Having a bad past stops you from owning weapons, from obtaining security clearance. Why do you think this is the case?
scarecrowbob 2y ago
"Do we have such little faith that we judge a person before a single stroke of the pen?" Yes. It's not like he hasn't got a massive body of public statements to read. I mean, I understand that people in gov think we are all dumb enough that we think he's "pro-vaccine" no, somehow despite his toddler merch. I mean, sometimes I think I am dumb too, especially when I respond to folks on this site. But yeah, most folks here aren't so dumb they can't tell what RFK will probably do based on his long public record of saying dumb stuff.

csoups14 2y ago

We're supposed to withhold judgment on somebody who has directly led to the deaths of several dozen children? Are you really implying there is no one who is better qualified to lead HHS?

dubcanada 2y ago
Does it sound like I am suggesting that? That's certainly not my question. I don't think RFK should be anywhere near anything. But he is. So the only option is to accept that, and hold off judging someone until bad policies are released. It's entirely possible RFK feels extreme regret for such incident and wishes to help prevent it from happening again. It's also entirely possible RFK will do a decent job, just like it's possible he will be replaced in 6 months. There is some validity in his comments, US is not healthy, there is extreme dietary issues, lack of exercise and eating terribly is rampant. But nobody complained about any other department head for not trying to solve that issue. But his past is very loudly negative.
- sundaeofshock 2y ago
  Let’s hold off on judging the bull we just released in the china shop unitl he has time to wander around in there for a while.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
    That's an interesting analogy. If I recall correctly, Mythbusters put a bull in a china shop and found that the bull avoided the shelves and didn't break anything.
    - Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
      But this is an RFK analogy, so its more likely he'd decapitate the bull with a chainsaw then dump its body in central park.
- analog31 2y ago
  We can always update our priors if we're proven wrong about these people. What's wrong with having expectations? Somebody must have had an expectation, otherwise how were they selected? Why do we keep hearing over and over that they need forgiveness?

SketchySeaBeast 2y ago

You're correct that I don't expect RFK's policies to necessarily follow his personal beliefs. He's previously mentioned being pro-choice, and this admin is against that, so he's already changed his tune there. But no, I don't expect him to change that much. Just last night he was on Fox saying how we don't have good data on the COVID vaccines.

kacesensitive 2y ago

RFK Jr. has a long track record of spreading pseudoscience, conspiracy theories, and misinformation—issues that go beyond personal beliefs and directly impact decision-making. Trusting him to govern rationally ignores the fact that his entire brand is built on anti-vaccine rhetoric and a general rejection of scientific consensus. Leaders who have successfully set aside personal beliefs to govern effectively typically have a history of pragmatism, not one of doubling down on disinformation. If someone has spent years pushing harmful falsehoods, there's little reason to believe they'll suddenly embrace reality when in power.

lazyeye 2y ago

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avgDev 2y ago

Just think about this statement for a second. If you know someone has done terrible things, why would they change once they acquire more power? Having a bad past stops you from owning weapons, from obtaining security clearance. Why do you think this is the case?

scarecrowbob 2y ago

"Do we have such little faith that we judge a person before a single stroke of the pen?" Yes. It's not like he hasn't got a massive body of public statements to read. I mean, I understand that people in gov think we are all dumb enough that we think he's "pro-vaccine" no, somehow despite his toddler merch. I mean, sometimes I think I am dumb too, especially when I respond to folks on this site. But yeah, most folks here aren't so dumb they can't tell what RFK will probably do based on his long public record of saying dumb stuff.