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I highly doubt this. US Air Force fighters intercepting an unknown aircraft near the Whitehouse still request ATC clearance so they don't accidentally run into

I highly doubt this. US Air Force fighters intercepting an unknown aircraft near the Whitehouse still request ATC clearance so they don't accidentally run into an airliner. And we're talking something that shoots missiles into other planes. Any VIP transport isn't going to get any higher priority. Here's why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_Airwest_Flight_706 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_Airwest_Flight_706 And they don't need priority. If Air Force One wants to land anywhere, they simply have the airport closed and the airspace cleared. And you don't need to close an entire airport. You can just mark off a place in the sky that's restricted during a certain time. Additionally, any plane can declare an emergency and take priority over all other traffic, including anything military, including Air Force One. It would be silly if you think you are so important that an airplane currently in the middle of crashing will go around you. You can verify all of this by listening to ATC transcripts on YouTube. They are pretty easy to find if you're looking for sources.

bilbo0s 2y ago
You're misinformed. "US Air Force fighters intercepting an unknown aircraft near the Whitehouse" don't request anything from anyone outside their chain of command. That's not how anyone gets orders sir. NMCC is in charge, and any idea you have to the contrary is yours alone. Now, will NMCC, or someone in the chain, communicate with ATC as part of the response? Yes. But only for the purposes of keeping ATC apprised of the situation and informing ATC that fighters are in the area. No one is standing around waiting on the results of clearance requests in these scenarios. Your assertions would not only be bad policy, but they're contrary to military sense. My idea is to sit down and have the conversation about why certain helos are engaged in some of these dangerous practices? And if that reasoning be sufficiently compelling, to consider the pros and cons of closing DCA. If the reasoning be not compelling, then we need to have another discussion about different operating protocols for these aircraft.
- kayodelycaon 2y ago
  The fighters talk directly to ATC to request to a block of airspace to fly in so they don't run into anything and ATC keeps it clear. This is a regular occurrence in the DC area. This also happens with civilian aircraft like medevac helicopters. They obviously need priority but you also need to route them around stuff you can't move out of the way in time. You may not strictly need the clearance but it's a really good idea to know where it's safe to fly. > My idea is to sit down and have the conversation about why certain helos are engaged in some of these dangerous practices? This isn't different from planes colliding on a runway. There are bad procedures. The NTSB will investigate and make recommendations. The military will offer their opinions. And the FAA will ignore everything until it happens a couple more times. Or with see and avoid, bury their heads in the sand and hope the problem goes away.

bilbo0s 2y ago

You're misinformed. "US Air Force fighters intercepting an unknown aircraft near the Whitehouse" don't request anything from anyone outside their chain of command. That's not how anyone gets orders sir. NMCC is in charge, and any idea you have to the contrary is yours alone. Now, will NMCC, or someone in the chain, communicate with ATC as part of the response? Yes. But only for the purposes of keeping ATC apprised of the situation and informing ATC that fighters are in the area. No one is standing around waiting on the results of clearance requests in these scenarios. Your assertions would not only be bad policy, but they're contrary to military sense. My idea is to sit down and have the conversation about why certain helos are engaged in some of these dangerous practices? And if that reasoning be sufficiently compelling, to consider the pros and cons of closing DCA. If the reasoning be not compelling, then we need to have another discussion about different operating protocols for these aircraft.

kayodelycaon 2y ago
The fighters talk directly to ATC to request to a block of airspace to fly in so they don't run into anything and ATC keeps it clear. This is a regular occurrence in the DC area. This also happens with civilian aircraft like medevac helicopters. They obviously need priority but you also need to route them around stuff you can't move out of the way in time. You may not strictly need the clearance but it's a really good idea to know where it's safe to fly. > My idea is to sit down and have the conversation about why certain helos are engaged in some of these dangerous practices? This isn't different from planes colliding on a runway. There are bad procedures. The NTSB will investigate and make recommendations. The military will offer their opinions. And the FAA will ignore everything until it happens a couple more times. Or with see and avoid, bury their heads in the sand and hope the problem goes away.