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Windows 10 is the IPV4 of operating systems.

by ethagnawl 2y ago

1stranger 2y ago
I thought that was Windows XP?
- jl6 2y ago
  Somewhere in the unmentionable basements of industry, there are virtualized air-gapped XP boxes running mission-critical VBA.
  - freeAgent 2y ago
    At least as recently as 2014, I was aware of some random Windows 3.1 (yes) machines running in a corporate data center owned by a very recognizable Fortune 500 company. At the time, they were upgrading all their Windows PCs from XP to 7 and this 3.1 box showed up. I confirmed that it was, in fact, real.
    - snovymgodym 2y ago
      Probably more common than you think. https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/ms-dos-and-windows-311-still-run-train-dashboards-at-german-railway-company-listed-admin-job-for-30-year-old-operating-system https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/ms-dos-and-win...
- josefresco 2y ago
  I think the lineage of "good" MS releases is: Windows XP > Windows 7 > Windows 10 Although for me personally I would add Windows 2000.
- caspper69 2y ago
  True story- when XP was released, all of the people "in the know" (among Windows users) used Win2k. Nobody wanted to upgrade to XP. It was called the Fisher-Price OS because of the way they made the GUI colorful with oversized icons/shapes and rounded corners everywhere. The old rule of thumb was that every other version was the good one, so people were naturally skeptical of XP (and after having seen ME, who could blame them). Not sure if that holds anymore, or if there is a good one.
pjmlp 2y ago
Windows is the IPv4 of operating systems. Every time a new Windows version comes out, since Windows XP, that there are forums filled with now the max exodus to Linux Desktop promised land is finally going to happen. Meanwhile not even Valve was able to convince game studios to port their Android NDK games to SteamDeck, they have to translate Windows/DirectX, and lets see for how long Microsoft will keep tolerating that. I have the Linux kernel all over the place at home, yet not one of them is a GNU/Linux distribution.
- tombert 2y ago
  > and lets see for how long Microsoft will keep tolerating that. Is that something we actually have to worry about? Wine has been around for more than 30 years in one form or another, and AFAIK Microsoft hasn't really taken any legal action against them. Are you saying that that has been the case because Wine has historically not been great, so Microsoft didn't perceive it as a threat?
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Wine wasn't seen as a threat as SteamOS can be against Windows/XBox handhelds. Think of how Microsoft quickly killed the Linux based netbooks, when they really started paying attention, then the new tablets market did the rest.
    - tombert 2y ago
      That's fair, I guess I thought you meant suing out of existence. It's tough to say. Annoying Linux people like me tend to have horse-blinders on towards the rest of the world (hence the constant meme of the "Year of the Linux Desktop"), so it's tough for me to speculate with any kind of objectivity. That said, Steam Decks seem to be selling pretty well, and people don't seem to mind the SteamOS part of it. I think that there's a chance that Linux will be a permanent fixture for Valve now. I don't think they're going to overtake Microsoft, but I think that "Steam Deck" is a viable enough of a target platform for game studios to develop against that it's here to stay.
michaelcampbell 2y ago
So was 7, and 95, in their day.
- ethagnawl 2y ago
  I haven't used Windows seriously in 20+ years, so I don't know, but did any of those upgrades also require hardware (not RAM or disk space) upgrades?
  - michaelcampbell 2y ago
    Nothing that Microsoft is demanding like the 10->11 upgrade, as I recall. Maybe from Windows 3 to 95/98, but I remember (perhaps incorrectly) that moving to 95/98 and/or 7 was pretty stock experience.

Windows 10 is the IPV4 of operating systems.

1stranger 2y ago

I thought that was Windows XP?

jl6 2y ago
Somewhere in the unmentionable basements of industry, there are virtualized air-gapped XP boxes running mission-critical VBA.
- freeAgent 2y ago
  At least as recently as 2014, I was aware of some random Windows 3.1 (yes) machines running in a corporate data center owned by a very recognizable Fortune 500 company. At the time, they were upgrading all their Windows PCs from XP to 7 and this 3.1 box showed up. I confirmed that it was, in fact, real.
  - snovymgodym 2y ago
    Probably more common than you think. https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/ms-dos-and-windows-311-still-run-train-dashboards-at-german-railway-company-listed-admin-job-for-30-year-old-operating-system https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/ms-dos-and-win...
josefresco 2y ago
I think the lineage of "good" MS releases is: Windows XP > Windows 7 > Windows 10 Although for me personally I would add Windows 2000.
caspper69 2y ago
True story- when XP was released, all of the people "in the know" (among Windows users) used Win2k. Nobody wanted to upgrade to XP. It was called the Fisher-Price OS because of the way they made the GUI colorful with oversized icons/shapes and rounded corners everywhere. The old rule of thumb was that every other version was the good one, so people were naturally skeptical of XP (and after having seen ME, who could blame them). Not sure if that holds anymore, or if there is a good one.

pjmlp 2y ago

Windows is the IPv4 of operating systems. Every time a new Windows version comes out, since Windows XP, that there are forums filled with now the max exodus to Linux Desktop promised land is finally going to happen. Meanwhile not even Valve was able to convince game studios to port their Android NDK games to SteamDeck, they have to translate Windows/DirectX, and lets see for how long Microsoft will keep tolerating that. I have the Linux kernel all over the place at home, yet not one of them is a GNU/Linux distribution.

tombert 2y ago
> and lets see for how long Microsoft will keep tolerating that. Is that something we actually have to worry about? Wine has been around for more than 30 years in one form or another, and AFAIK Microsoft hasn't really taken any legal action against them. Are you saying that that has been the case because Wine has historically not been great, so Microsoft didn't perceive it as a threat?
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Wine wasn't seen as a threat as SteamOS can be against Windows/XBox handhelds. Think of how Microsoft quickly killed the Linux based netbooks, when they really started paying attention, then the new tablets market did the rest.
  - tombert 2y ago
    That's fair, I guess I thought you meant suing out of existence. It's tough to say. Annoying Linux people like me tend to have horse-blinders on towards the rest of the world (hence the constant meme of the "Year of the Linux Desktop"), so it's tough for me to speculate with any kind of objectivity. That said, Steam Decks seem to be selling pretty well, and people don't seem to mind the SteamOS part of it. I think that there's a chance that Linux will be a permanent fixture for Valve now. I don't think they're going to overtake Microsoft, but I think that "Steam Deck" is a viable enough of a target platform for game studios to develop against that it's here to stay.

michaelcampbell 2y ago

So was 7, and 95, in their day.

ethagnawl 2y ago
I haven't used Windows seriously in 20+ years, so I don't know, but did any of those upgrades also require hardware (not RAM or disk space) upgrades?
- michaelcampbell 2y ago
  Nothing that Microsoft is demanding like the 10->11 upgrade, as I recall. Maybe from Windows 3 to 95/98, but I remember (perhaps incorrectly) that moving to 95/98 and/or 7 was pretty stock experience.