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The last president literally pardoned his son for “offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the p

The last president literally pardoned his son for “offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024.” Despite four years of saying he would absolutely not do this. Not even for a specific crime either - just a blanket decade of immunity. Enough of your partisan bickering; it goes both ways.

sschueller 2y ago
Exactly, the pardon power should be taken away from the president and moved into a non partisan committee or something like that for these innocent rotting in prison. It should also be illegal (which it is as far as I know) to retaliate against your political enemies.
- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  Well, in that case, that’s great news for Elon Musk. If Kamala wins the next election, according to you, it should be illegal to retaliate against him.
  - sschueller 2y ago
    That's not the same thing. Prosecuting someone for a crime they committed should always be done but firing someone for doing their jobs (FBI investigating j6) should not be allowed. Unless of course you broke the law at your job.
    - gjsman-1000 2y ago
      Well, that’s also great news for Elon Musk and Trump; they are arguing their political retaliation is also merely the investigation of crime; and frankly, just look at Hunter’s laptop in any tabloid, and it’s patently clear there is at least some truth to this (it’s not black-and-white). At some point the line is completely gray and politically up to opinion.
    - rbanffy 2y ago
      Civil servants (as are FBI agents) should be protected from arbitrary dismissal. The only exception I can imagine is political appointees, which can misplace their loyalty on the person who nominated them over the country.
  - ivewonyoung 2y ago
    Biden may beat Kamala again in the 2028 primaries and get elected just like he did in 2020.
lukas099 2y ago
So it's okay that anybody in Trump's White House can break any law? I disagreed with Biden pardoning his son and I disagree with this.
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anothereng 2y ago
yes, left leaning people are now pretending like every thing is bad
micromacrofoot 2y ago
The political pressure being applied was already extraordinary relative to the charges, had the current administration not been making more serious threats toward the exiting president's family then the pardon wouldn't have been necessary. Leaving this context out is poor faith.
- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  He also pardoned Anthony Fauci, Mark Milley, his brother, his sister, their spouses; but curiously, if this argument held water, why did he not pardon Jack Smith?
  - micromacrofoot 2y ago
    These are all people the incoming trump administration had threatened
V__ 2y ago
It had nothing to do with Trump making it clear he would go after Bidens family...
flumpcakes 2y ago
There is such a large gulf between the two you could name it the Gulf of America. This false equivalence "both sides"-ism is ridiculous when one side is actively harming America which will remain for probably an entire generation to come.
- bitmasher9 2y ago
  Both sides are actively harming America in ways that will remain for more than a generation. The growing deficit will force us to devalue the dollar, which will remove the status of global reserve currency. This inevitably is going to raise the price of imports, which is why both sides are focusing on reshoring strategic manufacturing. Currently we are getting a pass because all currencies are being devalued, and ours is devaluing slower than others. Growing deficits might cause us to devalue faster, or economic recovery might push foreign currencies into a stronger position. EDIT: I’m not arguing that both sides are the same, or that one side isn’t better than the other. I’m arguing that neither side is taking our long term interests to heart.
  - mindslight 2y ago
    You've got the causality backwards. Pulling back from the world and ending the US as a source of stability will destroy the status of global reserve currency. And the focus on the "deficit" (which tacitly ignores all the artificially-cheap loans given to the financial industry by the Federal Reserve) is just a kayfabe partisan point rather than a real analysis. In actuality that high price inflation from the first Trump term caused the first shred of fiscal responsibility from the Fed that we've seen in over two decades. Our country would be in a much better state if monetary creation could have continued with deliberate spending on domestic industry rather than being directed back at the everything bubble plus some magical-thinking tariffs.
    - Jgoure 2y ago
      they aren't very intelligent and have the inability to read news sources produced outside of the US. why waste your time

sschueller 2y ago

Exactly, the pardon power should be taken away from the president and moved into a non partisan committee or something like that for these innocent rotting in prison. It should also be illegal (which it is as far as I know) to retaliate against your political enemies.

gjsman-1000 2y ago
Well, in that case, that’s great news for Elon Musk. If Kamala wins the next election, according to you, it should be illegal to retaliate against him.
- sschueller 2y ago
  That's not the same thing. Prosecuting someone for a crime they committed should always be done but firing someone for doing their jobs (FBI investigating j6) should not be allowed. Unless of course you broke the law at your job.
  - gjsman-1000 2y ago
    Well, that’s also great news for Elon Musk and Trump; they are arguing their political retaliation is also merely the investigation of crime; and frankly, just look at Hunter’s laptop in any tabloid, and it’s patently clear there is at least some truth to this (it’s not black-and-white). At some point the line is completely gray and politically up to opinion.
  - rbanffy 2y ago
    Civil servants (as are FBI agents) should be protected from arbitrary dismissal. The only exception I can imagine is political appointees, which can misplace their loyalty on the person who nominated them over the country.
- ivewonyoung 2y ago
  Biden may beat Kamala again in the 2028 primaries and get elected just like he did in 2020.

lukas099 2y ago

So it's okay that anybody in Trump's White House can break any law? I disagreed with Biden pardoning his son and I disagree with this.

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anothereng 2y ago

yes, left leaning people are now pretending like every thing is bad

micromacrofoot 2y ago

The political pressure being applied was already extraordinary relative to the charges, had the current administration not been making more serious threats toward the exiting president's family then the pardon wouldn't have been necessary. Leaving this context out is poor faith.

gjsman-1000 2y ago
He also pardoned Anthony Fauci, Mark Milley, his brother, his sister, their spouses; but curiously, if this argument held water, why did he not pardon Jack Smith?
- micromacrofoot 2y ago
  These are all people the incoming trump administration had threatened

V__ 2y ago

It had nothing to do with Trump making it clear he would go after Bidens family...

flumpcakes 2y ago

There is such a large gulf between the two you could name it the Gulf of America. This false equivalence "both sides"-ism is ridiculous when one side is actively harming America which will remain for probably an entire generation to come.

bitmasher9 2y ago
Both sides are actively harming America in ways that will remain for more than a generation. The growing deficit will force us to devalue the dollar, which will remove the status of global reserve currency. This inevitably is going to raise the price of imports, which is why both sides are focusing on reshoring strategic manufacturing. Currently we are getting a pass because all currencies are being devalued, and ours is devaluing slower than others. Growing deficits might cause us to devalue faster, or economic recovery might push foreign currencies into a stronger position. EDIT: I’m not arguing that both sides are the same, or that one side isn’t better than the other. I’m arguing that neither side is taking our long term interests to heart.
- mindslight 2y ago
  You've got the causality backwards. Pulling back from the world and ending the US as a source of stability will destroy the status of global reserve currency. And the focus on the "deficit" (which tacitly ignores all the artificially-cheap loans given to the financial industry by the Federal Reserve) is just a kayfabe partisan point rather than a real analysis. In actuality that high price inflation from the first Trump term caused the first shred of fiscal responsibility from the Fed that we've seen in over two decades. Our country would be in a much better state if monetary creation could have continued with deliberate spending on domestic industry rather than being directed back at the everything bubble plus some magical-thinking tariffs.
  - Jgoure 2y ago
    they aren't very intelligent and have the inability to read news sources produced outside of the US. why waste your time