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The thing hes leaving out is that this guy is almost definitely making mid 6 figures a month. The issue comes down to Google hosts a users video for free, with

The thing hes leaving out is that this guy is almost definitely making mid 6 figures a month. The issue comes down to Google hosts a users video for free, with the expecation that they can serve advertisements to people who watch said video. By using this service, it strips google of that right while still using its resources. Google has every right to block services it doesnt like and you have every right not to use youtube. This is very similar to the craigslist/padmapper issue in some ways.

pmorici 14y ago
Seems like the smart thing to do on Google's part would be to detect when a service like this is accessing its site and serve and alternate version of the video with the original audio stream replaced with one that includes an audio advertisement spliced with a snippet is the original audio.
- Produce 14y ago
  The smart thing to do would be to put a download link next to each video.
ComputerGuru 14y ago
The thing hes leaving out is that this guy is almost definitely making mid 6 figures a month. 500k/month in advertising? That's a little high...
- DanBlake 14y ago
  Seems perfectly in line. He has over 1m uniques a day says the article. I can extrapolate out from my own companys revenue the amount to expect.
  - tluyben2 14y ago
    I've ran services with a lot more traffic which didn't make even close to that figure. I would think he makes significantly less than that, but still makes a nice living (on auto pilot).
    - DanBlake 14y ago
      Doesnt matter if you have a site with more traffic. What matters is the niche/market. You could have a site with a billion visits a day but if its about basket weaving you are going to have a harder time than a site like his with massive exit clicks. The number for ads is if anything, lower than it likely is. I feel decently confident in my estimate due to my knowledge of the space and my own, current, experience in this space but feel free to retort if you have additional data.
      - true_religion 14y ago
        Can you elaborate? What CPM do you think he's getting on these ads? I'd expect that he doesn't have a particular niche beyond music or music video, and in my experience as you gain more traffic the CPM price that you can command actually goes down and not up. Facebook only has a CPM of 30 cents to 50 cents.
        heyitsnick 14y ago
        I would also be interested to hear more. 500k a month in 30m pageviews implies he makes almost $17 per 1000 pageviews. I currently see two ads on his homepage, both large but for the same advertiser (an untargeted credit-card advert). I find it staggering people are selling ad-space at such a price unless it's highly targeted to a specific niche.
        DanBlake 14y ago
        Most people do more than 1 pageview- Also, multiple ads per page = multiple ad impressions. So while he only has 1m uniques a day, that could be 1.5 visits per user (a unique could covert 10 videos and would only be counted once) so guesstimate 1.5 visits per unique So now we are at 1.5m impressions a day. Now, lets count in we assume 3-5 pageviews per visit. So, on the low end thats 4.5m impressions a day. He has multiple ad units, you counted two. So now we are at 9m impressions per day / 270m per month Makes things much more sane. Also, I went on the low end of numbers. Its more likely he does well over those numbers.
smsm42 14y ago
Wait, how does it matter how much he makes? If it's allowed, it should be allowed regardless of how much he makes. If it's not, we have all witnessed cases where people not earning a cent were shut down by copyrighters and sometimes assigned outrageous damage numbers. Google has the right to refuse to talk to you, however if they operate in a broadcast manner, i.e serving anyone who comes, they are not entitled to use law's power to block people from doing what they don't like. They could make a filter on the site that would not serve specific calls, etc. - but C&D is quite a different matter I think. It's like saying "I'm not going to the movies with you" vs. restraining order. I don't think Google is entitled to the restraining order just because they don't like how somebody uses their broadcasts.

pmorici 14y ago

Seems like the smart thing to do on Google's part would be to detect when a service like this is accessing its site and serve and alternate version of the video with the original audio stream replaced with one that includes an audio advertisement spliced with a snippet is the original audio.

Produce 14y ago
The smart thing to do would be to put a download link next to each video.

ComputerGuru 14y ago

The thing hes leaving out is that this guy is almost definitely making mid 6 figures a month. 500k/month in advertising? That's a little high...

DanBlake 14y ago
Seems perfectly in line. He has over 1m uniques a day says the article. I can extrapolate out from my own companys revenue the amount to expect.
- tluyben2 14y ago
  I've ran services with a lot more traffic which didn't make even close to that figure. I would think he makes significantly less than that, but still makes a nice living (on auto pilot).
  - DanBlake 14y ago
    Doesnt matter if you have a site with more traffic. What matters is the niche/market. You could have a site with a billion visits a day but if its about basket weaving you are going to have a harder time than a site like his with massive exit clicks. The number for ads is if anything, lower than it likely is. I feel decently confident in my estimate due to my knowledge of the space and my own, current, experience in this space but feel free to retort if you have additional data.
    - true_religion 14y ago
      Can you elaborate? What CPM do you think he's getting on these ads? I'd expect that he doesn't have a particular niche beyond music or music video, and in my experience as you gain more traffic the CPM price that you can command actually goes down and not up. Facebook only has a CPM of 30 cents to 50 cents.
      - heyitsnick 14y ago
        I would also be interested to hear more. 500k a month in 30m pageviews implies he makes almost $17 per 1000 pageviews. I currently see two ads on his homepage, both large but for the same advertiser (an untargeted credit-card advert). I find it staggering people are selling ad-space at such a price unless it's highly targeted to a specific niche.
        DanBlake 14y ago
        Most people do more than 1 pageview- Also, multiple ads per page = multiple ad impressions. So while he only has 1m uniques a day, that could be 1.5 visits per user (a unique could covert 10 videos and would only be counted once) so guesstimate 1.5 visits per unique So now we are at 1.5m impressions a day. Now, lets count in we assume 3-5 pageviews per visit. So, on the low end thats 4.5m impressions a day. He has multiple ad units, you counted two. So now we are at 9m impressions per day / 270m per month Makes things much more sane. Also, I went on the low end of numbers. Its more likely he does well over those numbers.

smsm42 14y ago

Wait, how does it matter how much he makes? If it's allowed, it should be allowed regardless of how much he makes. If it's not, we have all witnessed cases where people not earning a cent were shut down by copyrighters and sometimes assigned outrageous damage numbers. Google has the right to refuse to talk to you, however if they operate in a broadcast manner, i.e serving anyone who comes, they are not entitled to use law's power to block people from doing what they don't like. They could make a filter on the site that would not serve specific calls, etc. - but C&D is quite a different matter I think. It's like saying "I'm not going to the movies with you" vs. restraining order. I don't think Google is entitled to the restraining order just because they don't like how somebody uses their broadcasts.