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The literal president of the US is issuing scam-crypto and the supreme court has ruled that they can take bribes. From my perspective - honor and integrity in

The literal president of the US is issuing scam-crypto and the supreme court has ruled that they can take bribes. From my perspective - honor and integrity in the government is clearly gone. The moral leadership has exited the building, and is currently getting buried in the ditch out back. There's not even enough accountability to pretend anymore. It's going to be a long, hard road back to anything that approaches "ok", and my guess is it's going to have to happen at the extreme local level.

iambateman 2y ago
Yes. Let's get to work.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  You're missing that the moral leadership was removed by popular vote. Americans apparently don't want classy government. Americans want reality TV in the white house. How do you convince 70 million Americans who aren't interested in listening to external wisdom, of anything?
  - iambateman 2y ago
    I don’t know. We should start there, though. In 1995 a majority of Americans believed interracial marriage was wrong, and now it’s 5%. We, the people who love civility and good governance and peace, have work to do. But social norms can and do change.
    - mrguyorama 2y ago
      I hope it's obvious by now that apparently plenty of those people did not change their opinion, just their words. Christ, Clarance Thomas frequently signals that he wants to roll back the legal protections for interracial marriage and just look at his marriage. As soon as the House puts forward a bill to ban interracial marriage, you can rest assured that 5% is suddenly more like 50%. We are going backwards and they've been eagerly waiting to dig out the old social norms. Assholes on twitter are already back to using "retard" as a slur, as if 4chan is a role model.
      - LorenPechtel 2y ago
        I don't think that all that many people actually changed their minds. Rather, those who grew up after the civil rights movement weren't indoctrinated into racism and thus most are not racist. I have yet to meet anyone who in any way indicated a problem with me marrying outside my race. (I have encountered a few online.) She, however, has had multiple incidents of criticism for marrying outside hers. As for "retard" it's always been an insult within my life. Xitter has become the domain of assholes, it's not surprising you see it a lot more than you used to.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    Good question. The options are figure out a way to improve moral expectations or move to damage mitigation of reducing the scope and power of government officials

iambateman 2y ago

Yes. Let's get to work.

mrguyorama 2y ago
You're missing that the moral leadership was removed by popular vote. Americans apparently don't want classy government. Americans want reality TV in the white house. How do you convince 70 million Americans who aren't interested in listening to external wisdom, of anything?
- iambateman 2y ago
  I don’t know. We should start there, though. In 1995 a majority of Americans believed interracial marriage was wrong, and now it’s 5%. We, the people who love civility and good governance and peace, have work to do. But social norms can and do change.
  - mrguyorama 2y ago
    I hope it's obvious by now that apparently plenty of those people did not change their opinion, just their words. Christ, Clarance Thomas frequently signals that he wants to roll back the legal protections for interracial marriage and just look at his marriage. As soon as the House puts forward a bill to ban interracial marriage, you can rest assured that 5% is suddenly more like 50%. We are going backwards and they've been eagerly waiting to dig out the old social norms. Assholes on twitter are already back to using "retard" as a slur, as if 4chan is a role model.
    - LorenPechtel 2y ago
      I don't think that all that many people actually changed their minds. Rather, those who grew up after the civil rights movement weren't indoctrinated into racism and thus most are not racist. I have yet to meet anyone who in any way indicated a problem with me marrying outside my race. (I have encountered a few online.) She, however, has had multiple incidents of criticism for marrying outside hers. As for "retard" it's always been an insult within my life. Xitter has become the domain of assholes, it's not surprising you see it a lot more than you used to.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  Good question. The options are figure out a way to improve moral expectations or move to damage mitigation of reducing the scope and power of government officials