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ben_w 2y ago
Surely 50% slower, compounding each year? Jokes aside, I find it curious what does and doesn't gain traction in tech. The slowness of the IPv6 was already an embarrassment when I learned about it in university… 21 years ago, and therefore before the people currently learning about it in university had been conceived. What actually took hold? A growing pantheon of software architecture styles and patterns, and enough layers of abstraction to make jokes about Java class names from 2011 (and earlier) seem tame in comparison: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3215736 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3215736 The way all of us seem to approach code, the certainty of what the best way to write it looks like, the degree to which a lone developer can still build fantastic products and keep up with an entire team… we're less like engineers, more like poets arguing over a preferred form and structure of the words, of which metaphors and simile work best — and all the while, the audience is asking us to rhyme "orange" or "purple"
- saulpw 2y ago
  The slowness to adopt IPv6 is because it's not a great design. Going from 32-bits to 128-bits is complete overengineering. We will never need 128-bits of network address space as long as we are confined to this solar system, and the resulting addresses are extremely cumbersome to use. (Can you tell someone your IPv6 address over the phone? Can you see it on one monitor and type it into a different computer? Can you remember it for the 10 seconds it takes to walk over to the other terminal?) 48-bit addresses would have been sufficient, and at worst they could have gone with 64-bit addresses. This is already too cumbersome (9-12 base36 digits), but maybe with area-code like segmentation it could be rotated into manageable. 128-bits is just not workable.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > extremely cumbersome to use. (Can you tell someone your IPv6 address over the phone? Can you see it on one monitor and type it into a different computer? Can you remember it for the 10 seconds it takes to walk over to the other terminal?) That's your idea of "extremely cumbersome"? 128 bit is exactly as hard as four groups of 32 bit.
    - saulpw 2y ago
      Yes, it makes it untenable. There is no way I can remember 4 IP addresses at once.

Surely 50% slower, compounding each year? Jokes aside, I find it curious what does and doesn't gain traction in tech. The slowness of the IPv6 was already an embarrassment when I learned about it in university… 21 years ago, and therefore before the people currently learning about it in university had been conceived. What actually took hold? A growing pantheon of software architecture styles and patterns, and enough layers of abstraction to make jokes about Java class names from 2011 (and earlier) seem tame in comparison: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3215736 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3215736 The way all of us seem to approach code, the certainty of what the best way to write it looks like, the degree to which a lone developer can still build fantastic products and keep up with an entire team… we're less like engineers, more like poets arguing over a preferred form and structure of the words, of which metaphors and simile work best — and all the while, the audience is asking us to rhyme "orange" or "purple"

saulpw 2y ago
The slowness to adopt IPv6 is because it's not a great design. Going from 32-bits to 128-bits is complete overengineering. We will never need 128-bits of network address space as long as we are confined to this solar system, and the resulting addresses are extremely cumbersome to use. (Can you tell someone your IPv6 address over the phone? Can you see it on one monitor and type it into a different computer? Can you remember it for the 10 seconds it takes to walk over to the other terminal?) 48-bit addresses would have been sufficient, and at worst they could have gone with 64-bit addresses. This is already too cumbersome (9-12 base36 digits), but maybe with area-code like segmentation it could be rotated into manageable. 128-bits is just not workable.
- ben_w 2y ago
  > extremely cumbersome to use. (Can you tell someone your IPv6 address over the phone? Can you see it on one monitor and type it into a different computer? Can you remember it for the 10 seconds it takes to walk over to the other terminal?) That's your idea of "extremely cumbersome"? 128 bit is exactly as hard as four groups of 32 bit.
  - saulpw 2y ago
    Yes, it makes it untenable. There is no way I can remember 4 IP addresses at once.