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>Consider a developer working with a cutting-edge JavaScript framework released just months ago. When they turn to AI coding assistants for help, they find thes

>Consider a developer working with a cutting-edge JavaScript framework released just months ago. When they turn to AI coding assistants for help, they find these tools unable to provide meaningful guidance because their training data predates the framework’s release. [... This] incentivises them to use something [older]. That sounds great to me, actually. A world where e.g. Django and React are considered as obvious choices for backend and frontend as git is for version control sounds like a world where high quality web apps become much cheaper to build.

matsemann 2y ago
What if it happened just before React, and you therefore got stuck with angular? Should we now be stuck with React forever just because it's okay-ish, never allowing future better framework to emerge?
- hiAndrewQuinn 2y ago
  >What if it happened just before React, and you therefore got stuck with angular? Still a good thing. :) The massive bump in developer market liquidity is far more valuable in my eyes than any inherent DevEx advantages. You'd still have much cheaper high quality web apps, although, if React truly has a technical advantage over Angular (doubtful), maybe not as much cheaper, but still much cheaper than pre-LLM. If you truly want to figure out where I think the equation sign flips, it's probably like, pre-Smalltalk somewhere.
- tobyhinloopen 2y ago
  Or we ended up writing jqueryscript forever! $(function() { // yay })
klysm 2y ago
I’m all for boring technologies but can we please at least use compiled languages with types
- lasagnagram 2y ago
  Nobody's stopping you?
munificent 2y ago
> A world where e.g. Django and React are considered as obvious choices for backend and frontend as git is for version control sounds like a world where high quality web apps become much cheaper to build. Imagine you saying this twenty years ago. Would you still want to be writing your back-end in JavaBeans, your front end in VisualBASIC, and storing your data in Subversion?
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  VisualBASIC made much nicer (and more responsive) UIs than Electron, so this isn't the slam dunk you think it is.
  - esafak 2y ago
    We dunk on Electron too, don't worry.
  - munificent 2y ago
    I miss VB too.
lasagnagram 2y ago
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matsemann 2y ago

What if it happened just before React, and you therefore got stuck with angular? Should we now be stuck with React forever just because it's okay-ish, never allowing future better framework to emerge?

hiAndrewQuinn 2y ago
>What if it happened just before React, and you therefore got stuck with angular? Still a good thing. :) The massive bump in developer market liquidity is far more valuable in my eyes than any inherent DevEx advantages. You'd still have much cheaper high quality web apps, although, if React truly has a technical advantage over Angular (doubtful), maybe not as much cheaper, but still much cheaper than pre-LLM. If you truly want to figure out where I think the equation sign flips, it's probably like, pre-Smalltalk somewhere.
tobyhinloopen 2y ago
Or we ended up writing jqueryscript forever! $(function() { // yay })

klysm 2y ago

I’m all for boring technologies but can we please at least use compiled languages with types

lasagnagram 2y ago
Nobody's stopping you?

munificent 2y ago

> A world where e.g. Django and React are considered as obvious choices for backend and frontend as git is for version control sounds like a world where high quality web apps become much cheaper to build. Imagine you saying this twenty years ago. Would you still want to be writing your back-end in JavaBeans, your front end in VisualBASIC, and storing your data in Subversion?

AlexandrB 2y ago
VisualBASIC made much nicer (and more responsive) UIs than Electron, so this isn't the slam dunk you think it is.
- esafak 2y ago
  We dunk on Electron too, don't worry.
- munificent 2y ago
  I miss VB too.

lasagnagram 2y ago

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