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> Other than that for anyone wanting to try Zed: Also, no support for debugging yet.

by d_tr 2y ago

mococa 2y ago
You do not need debugging if you have AI.
- nurumaik 2y ago
  You need more debugging if you have AI
  - celdon25 2y ago
    I'm sure we'll see a microbubble in this space before long.
    - rootnod3 2y ago
      Oh hell yeah, an AI driven debugger that hallucinates memory values and instruction pointer positions.
- d_tr 2y ago
  Genuinely not sure whether you are joking or not. The thing is, I do not need a debugger very often, but when I need it, I need it. I also have no idea what kind of code people "write" that they can rely on A.I. so much. I have found these tools helpful for gathering info but not for much more, yet.
  - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
    I don't even find it that useful for gathering info. If it's good at that then there's some documentation out there that's going to be faster to comb through. It's useful for generating boilerplate for well defined unit tests and the occasional tab-complete.
- crimsoneer 2y ago
  Yeah, this is a moronic take. I'm all in on AI programming, but when you need debugging, you really need it - sometimes the model will get utterly fixated on a solution that is just wrong, and you just need to follow the stack trace.
onionisafruit 2y ago
I keep getting interested in Zed then rediscovering how much I like the easy debugging in jetbrains IDEs. Last time I checked Zed had a PR in progress. Maybe next time I think about it, Zed will be ready for me.
trcarney 2y ago
I asked them about this on X and they are working on one. I use Zed for everything now but must keep VS Code around just for the debugger. I can't wait to delete it.
- jeremy_k 2y ago
  Debugger PR is here https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/13433 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/13433 if you want to check it out
- atdt 2y ago
  What is it about Zed that you find superior to VS Code?
  - trcarney 2y ago
    I downloaded Zed when it took way too long for VS Code to load the monorepo at work. It took almost as long for me to download and install Zed and then open the monorepo as it did for VS Code to load the monorepo. I think the was a fluke with VS Code as it didn't normally take this long but it did happen often enough to be annoying. I also find Zed to be snappier than VS Code. It's hard to quantify but it just feels better to use Zed. For reference, I mainly work on a Node/Typescript monorepo that is made up of a bunch of serverless services and is deployed with SST v2

> Other than that for anyone wanting to try Zed: Also, no support for debugging yet.

by d_tr 2y ago

> Other than that for anyone wanting to try Zed: Also, no support for debugging yet.

mococa 2y ago

You do not need debugging if you have AI.

nurumaik 2y ago
You need more debugging if you have AI
- celdon25 2y ago
  I'm sure we'll see a microbubble in this space before long.
  - rootnod3 2y ago
    Oh hell yeah, an AI driven debugger that hallucinates memory values and instruction pointer positions.
d_tr 2y ago
Genuinely not sure whether you are joking or not. The thing is, I do not need a debugger very often, but when I need it, I need it. I also have no idea what kind of code people "write" that they can rely on A.I. so much. I have found these tools helpful for gathering info but not for much more, yet.
- SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
  I don't even find it that useful for gathering info. If it's good at that then there's some documentation out there that's going to be faster to comb through. It's useful for generating boilerplate for well defined unit tests and the occasional tab-complete.
crimsoneer 2y ago
Yeah, this is a moronic take. I'm all in on AI programming, but when you need debugging, you really need it - sometimes the model will get utterly fixated on a solution that is just wrong, and you just need to follow the stack trace.

onionisafruit 2y ago

I keep getting interested in Zed then rediscovering how much I like the easy debugging in jetbrains IDEs. Last time I checked Zed had a PR in progress. Maybe next time I think about it, Zed will be ready for me.

trcarney 2y ago

I asked them about this on X and they are working on one. I use Zed for everything now but must keep VS Code around just for the debugger. I can't wait to delete it.

jeremy_k 2y ago
Debugger PR is here https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/13433 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/13433 if you want to check it out
atdt 2y ago
What is it about Zed that you find superior to VS Code?
- trcarney 2y ago
  I downloaded Zed when it took way too long for VS Code to load the monorepo at work. It took almost as long for me to download and install Zed and then open the monorepo as it did for VS Code to load the monorepo. I think the was a fluke with VS Code as it didn't normally take this long but it did happen often enough to be annoying. I also find Zed to be snappier than VS Code. It's hard to quantify but it just feels better to use Zed. For reference, I mainly work on a Node/Typescript monorepo that is made up of a bunch of serverless services and is deployed with SST v2