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You say that but I’ve shared several examples of the same things happening in other countries like America too. So I don’t think the UK is any further along in

You say that but I’ve shared several examples of the same things happening in other countries like America too. So I don’t think the UK is any further along in that regard. There are other areas where the UK is further along though. Such as CCTV surveillance in London. There are also areas where the UK is far less Orwellian, for example our open-mindedness about abortion and gender identity. The UK’s legal system isn’t just defined by what Musk tweets about. ;)

kennysoona 2y ago
> You say that but I’ve shared several examples of the same things happening in other countries like America too. You've shown some protestors getting arrested, but I don't believe you can show any equivalent of cops acting as thought police for tweets. > for example our open-mindedness about abortion and gender identity. Funny you say that, because there isn't so much open-mindedness as a forced viewpoint. I'm trans, FWIW, but I don't at all agree with sending cops to peoples houses because a ciswoman has doubts about accepting a transwoman completely as a woman. I'd also say it's other western countries being compared to here, and I don't think the UK is particularly further ahead than other first world nations, aside from the US where it is very much a red/blue state issue.
- hnlmorg 2y ago
  > You've shown some protestors getting arrested, but I don't believe you can show any equivalent of cops acting as thought police for tweets I have elsewhere. > Funny you say that, because there isn't so much open-mindedness as a forced viewpoint. I'm trans, FWIW, but I don't at all agree with sending cops to peoples houses because a ciswoman has doubts about accepting a transwoman completely as a woman. I wouldn’t say it’s a forced viewpoint here either. Quite the opposite in fact, there’s a lot of really vocal people in the UK who publicly denounce transgender people.
  - kennysoona 2y ago
    > I have elsewhere. Could you relink them? I don't see anything, and I don't think you could show it is to the same extent as in the UK. > I wouldn’t say it’s a forced viewpoint here either. Then why do cops keep showing up for wrongthink?
    - hnlmorg 2y ago
      > Could you relink them? I don't see anything, and I don't think you could show it is to the same extent as in the UK. No. I’ve said my piece and I’m done. And it isn’t even happening to extent you keep claiming. There’s been lots of evidence posted to prove that point. > Then why do cops keep showing up for wrongthink? They don’t. And I know you’ll follow up with some unverifiable linked to highly disreputable sources which are several years out of date. So let’s just close this argument off by saying you think you know better than everyone else despite not living in the UK nor reading either up-to-date nor reputable sources. And this is precisely why this meme of the UK policing thought persists: because people form an opinion based off silly headlines and then are too singleminded to listen to the full facts. I honestly can’t be bothered any longer on this. I’ve been actively involved in politics around precisely these kinds of issues, but of course you know better than me because it fits your own narrative about how your own country can’t also be going down the shitter.
      - kennysoona 2y ago
        > No. I’ve said my piece and I’m done. You said this, but then continued to go out of your way to reply to another unrelated comment. Copying and pasting some links would have been less effort. > And it isn’t even happening to extent you keep claiming. There’s been lots of evidence posted to prove that point. Actually my llast reply showed quite the opposite. The scale is much larger, about 2,500 incidents. > They don’t. They do, at least 2500 times. See a recent reply for sources. > And I know you’ll follow up with some unverifiable linked to highly disreputable sources which are several years out of date. > So let’s just close this argument off by saying you think you know better than everyone else despite not living in the UK nor reading either up-to-date nor reputable sources. It's a shame here to see you assuming bad faith. This reeks of tribalism, not objective argument. The source I found was from the UK government, so I think that you preemptively dismiss that really shows who is being rational and objective and who is not. > So let’s just close this argument off by saying you think you know better than everyone else despite not living in the UK You keep looking for reasons to dismiss my argument fro reasons other than merit of the argument. This is telling. I lived in the UK for years, actually, and the evidence speaks for itself, no personal experience is necessary. > I honestly can’t be bothered any longer on this. Maybe. You say and wrote this, yet you have a second reply you posted after this that I am about to respond to. I won't be surprised if I end up responding yet again.

kennysoona 2y ago

> You say that but I’ve shared several examples of the same things happening in other countries like America too. You've shown some protestors getting arrested, but I don't believe you can show any equivalent of cops acting as thought police for tweets. > for example our open-mindedness about abortion and gender identity. Funny you say that, because there isn't so much open-mindedness as a forced viewpoint. I'm trans, FWIW, but I don't at all agree with sending cops to peoples houses because a ciswoman has doubts about accepting a transwoman completely as a woman. I'd also say it's other western countries being compared to here, and I don't think the UK is particularly further ahead than other first world nations, aside from the US where it is very much a red/blue state issue.

hnlmorg 2y ago
> You've shown some protestors getting arrested, but I don't believe you can show any equivalent of cops acting as thought police for tweets I have elsewhere. > Funny you say that, because there isn't so much open-mindedness as a forced viewpoint. I'm trans, FWIW, but I don't at all agree with sending cops to peoples houses because a ciswoman has doubts about accepting a transwoman completely as a woman. I wouldn’t say it’s a forced viewpoint here either. Quite the opposite in fact, there’s a lot of really vocal people in the UK who publicly denounce transgender people.
- kennysoona 2y ago
  > I have elsewhere. Could you relink them? I don't see anything, and I don't think you could show it is to the same extent as in the UK. > I wouldn’t say it’s a forced viewpoint here either. Then why do cops keep showing up for wrongthink?
  - hnlmorg 2y ago
    > Could you relink them? I don't see anything, and I don't think you could show it is to the same extent as in the UK. No. I’ve said my piece and I’m done. And it isn’t even happening to extent you keep claiming. There’s been lots of evidence posted to prove that point. > Then why do cops keep showing up for wrongthink? They don’t. And I know you’ll follow up with some unverifiable linked to highly disreputable sources which are several years out of date. So let’s just close this argument off by saying you think you know better than everyone else despite not living in the UK nor reading either up-to-date nor reputable sources. And this is precisely why this meme of the UK policing thought persists: because people form an opinion based off silly headlines and then are too singleminded to listen to the full facts. I honestly can’t be bothered any longer on this. I’ve been actively involved in politics around precisely these kinds of issues, but of course you know better than me because it fits your own narrative about how your own country can’t also be going down the shitter.
    - kennysoona 2y ago
      > No. I’ve said my piece and I’m done. You said this, but then continued to go out of your way to reply to another unrelated comment. Copying and pasting some links would have been less effort. > And it isn’t even happening to extent you keep claiming. There’s been lots of evidence posted to prove that point. Actually my llast reply showed quite the opposite. The scale is much larger, about 2,500 incidents. > They don’t. They do, at least 2500 times. See a recent reply for sources. > And I know you’ll follow up with some unverifiable linked to highly disreputable sources which are several years out of date. > So let’s just close this argument off by saying you think you know better than everyone else despite not living in the UK nor reading either up-to-date nor reputable sources. It's a shame here to see you assuming bad faith. This reeks of tribalism, not objective argument. The source I found was from the UK government, so I think that you preemptively dismiss that really shows who is being rational and objective and who is not. > So let’s just close this argument off by saying you think you know better than everyone else despite not living in the UK You keep looking for reasons to dismiss my argument fro reasons other than merit of the argument. This is telling. I lived in the UK for years, actually, and the evidence speaks for itself, no personal experience is necessary. > I honestly can’t be bothered any longer on this. Maybe. You say and wrote this, yet you have a second reply you posted after this that I am about to respond to. I won't be surprised if I end up responding yet again.