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Incidentally if you are interested in doing a PhD the University of oslo has 64 open phd and postdoc positions currently. PhDs will get a competitive salary (ty

Incidentally if you are interested in doing a PhD the University of oslo has 64 open phd and postdoc positions currently. PhDs will get a competitive salary (typically something like 50-55k USD/year, this is much higher than anything in USA for example), free healthcare, pension, in the first year you qualify for cheap student housing if you have moved from abroad, and tbh, Norway is kind of nice to live in in my opinion as long as you pick up a winter sport and don't mind the darkness. https://www.mn.uio.no/english/about/vacancies/index.html https://www.mn.uio.no/english/about/vacancies/index.html

MzxgckZtNqX5i 2y ago
As someone who moved to Norway (not Oslo) to pursue a PhD in computer science, I highly suggest everyone who might be interested to give it a chance. High quality of life and supportive system and society. Vacancies for University of Bergen: https://www.uib.no/en/about/84777/vacant-positions-uib https://www.uib.no/en/about/84777/vacant-positions-uib.
- fransje26 2y ago
  > University of Bergen Don't forget to bring your rain gear!
w-hn 2y ago
> don't mind the darkness This was weirdly exciting and depressing at the same time :) What are the chances in trying to go for a non-STEM Masters/PhD (or higher studies in general) in Norway (or one of "those" countries) after studying E for UG and then working in E for more than a decade (in the third world) and having no other experience at all? Or anywhere for that matter? Is there a way to go about it? (Now, this might sound entitled, and I apologise if it does, but without having to pay (at least) tuition for that higher education)
- viraptor 2y ago
  > This was weirdly exciting and depressing at the same time :) And, depending on how far north you go, should be taken seriously. In Iceland, out of my exchange students cohort of ~10, once the winter hit, one had to escape home and two were hospitalised after too much drinking. It can be a really tough experience, especially when you don't have close friends/family to contact and lose track of time.
  - tialaramex 2y ago
    Yeah, not all humans do well in the dark. I wonder if this happens for some of the submariners ? Maybe on boomers (the nuclear powered missile submarines) since those spend a very large proportion of each mission underwater ? I expect I'd be fine with this because I don't normally interact much with sunlight, the windows in my home have the blinds down 24/7, etc. But you can't really tell for sure without trying it.
- mnky9800n 2y ago
  I think that there is some options at University of Oslo for example. I work in geophysics and ML, so I don't know so much. But at some point I entertained the idea of doing a PhD in science fiction which is an option at UiO. There is also a large linguistics department and social sciences faculty as well as two centers for education research.. I imagine there are many options, but I think it is hard for me to know since I don't do that kind of work.
Amezarak 2y ago
> (typically something like 50-55k USD/year, this is much higher than anything in USA for example), This is not my experience (close friend in a flyover state makes 55k), so I googled and found this website: https://postdocsalaries.com/results https://postdocsalaries.com/results 55k looks to be well within the normal range of American postdoc salaries.
- vulpescana 2y ago
  The 50-55k range is for PhD students, not postdocs. PhDs in Europe often get a much higher pay than in America.
- zipy124 2y ago
  You've looked at postdoc salaries, not PhD salaries. very different. For example in the UK a PhD will get somewhere aroun £19-21k a year, whilst a postdoc will get anywhere from £37-45k a year......
  - Amezarak 2y ago
    Thanks for the correction, posting too early in the morning. :)
- TypingOutBugs 2y ago
  My wife earned that as a postdoc at Stanford, but as a PhD in Oxford earned £14k per year. $55k as a PhD is really really good.
throw098320923 2y ago
> pension Not sure that is a perk. In EU (not sure about this exact offer in Norway) to get ANY money out of pension, you have to work like 30 years at the very same country (not EU). But it is mandatory social insurance (tax) of 10% to 40% of your income.
- kgwgk 2y ago
  > In EU to get ANY money out of pension, you have to work like 30 years at the very same country (not EU). Quite far from the truth. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/work/retire-abroad/state-pensions-abroad/indexamp_en.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/work/retire-abroad/sta... Eligibility periods In some EU countries, you must have worked for a minimum period of time to be entitled to a pension. In such cases, the pension authority has to take into account all the periods you've worked in other EU countries, as if you'd been working in that country all along, to assess whether you're entitled to a pension (principle of aggregation of periods). How your pension is calculated Pension authorities in each EU country you've worked in will look at the contributions you've paid into their system, how much you've paid in other countries, and for how long you've worked in different countries.
  - portaouflop 2y ago
    In reality the system is already breaking down bc so few people pay into the pension system for so many old pensioners. Idk about Norway tbh - they seem to have a much more solid social system - but in Germany I don’t expect anything from the pension system in 2060+
    - TypingOutBugs 2y ago
      Norway has an insane sovereign wealth fund worth 3x GDP that they can only withdraw 3% from per year and that oil sales go into (as they’re basically self sufficient on hydroelectricity), they own 1.5% of all global equities. Their pension system is probably the strongest in the world.
    - chongli 2y ago
RobotToaster 2y ago
I assume having to learn Norwegian is a small issue?
- eirikbakke 2y ago
  Norwegians love to speak English.
- mnky9800n 2y ago
  There are no language requirements to be a phd or postdoc at the university of oslo except in the cases where you may need to speak a scandinavian language to study it such as if you are working at the center for nordic linguistics. So no, you do not need to consider this an issue at all.
cantrecallmypwd 2y ago
Unless someone really want to become a postdoc or tenured PI similar to the calling of a teacher, it's really difficult to justify the lower opportunity (time and money) cost of a Masters' or PhD in the US in tech, for example. After just a few years, one can make 250k USD/yr sometimes without even a 4-year degree in CompSci or related STEM field. I honestly feel dumb for pursuing the equivalent of a reputable BS EE/CS when I could've been making 400k/yr in dotcom times. More power to pure academics who don't pursue money or fame, and instead make an impact.
- mnky9800n 2y ago
  I am more motivated to find jobs that let me think my thoughts than jobs that maximise my income. People often say well but if you make a lot then you can pay for this. I have found that those that make a lot never find the time to pay for it.

MzxgckZtNqX5i 2y ago

As someone who moved to Norway (not Oslo) to pursue a PhD in computer science, I highly suggest everyone who might be interested to give it a chance. High quality of life and supportive system and society. Vacancies for University of Bergen: https://www.uib.no/en/about/84777/vacant-positions-uib https://www.uib.no/en/about/84777/vacant-positions-uib.

fransje26 2y ago
> University of Bergen Don't forget to bring your rain gear!

w-hn 2y ago

> don't mind the darkness This was weirdly exciting and depressing at the same time :) What are the chances in trying to go for a non-STEM Masters/PhD (or higher studies in general) in Norway (or one of "those" countries) after studying E for UG and then working in E for more than a decade (in the third world) and having no other experience at all? Or anywhere for that matter? Is there a way to go about it? (Now, this might sound entitled, and I apologise if it does, but without having to pay (at least) tuition for that higher education)

viraptor 2y ago
> This was weirdly exciting and depressing at the same time :) And, depending on how far north you go, should be taken seriously. In Iceland, out of my exchange students cohort of ~10, once the winter hit, one had to escape home and two were hospitalised after too much drinking. It can be a really tough experience, especially when you don't have close friends/family to contact and lose track of time.
- tialaramex 2y ago
  Yeah, not all humans do well in the dark. I wonder if this happens for some of the submariners ? Maybe on boomers (the nuclear powered missile submarines) since those spend a very large proportion of each mission underwater ? I expect I'd be fine with this because I don't normally interact much with sunlight, the windows in my home have the blinds down 24/7, etc. But you can't really tell for sure without trying it.
mnky9800n 2y ago
I think that there is some options at University of Oslo for example. I work in geophysics and ML, so I don't know so much. But at some point I entertained the idea of doing a PhD in science fiction which is an option at UiO. There is also a large linguistics department and social sciences faculty as well as two centers for education research.. I imagine there are many options, but I think it is hard for me to know since I don't do that kind of work.

Amezarak 2y ago

> (typically something like 50-55k USD/year, this is much higher than anything in USA for example), This is not my experience (close friend in a flyover state makes 55k), so I googled and found this website: https://postdocsalaries.com/results https://postdocsalaries.com/results 55k looks to be well within the normal range of American postdoc salaries.

vulpescana 2y ago
The 50-55k range is for PhD students, not postdocs. PhDs in Europe often get a much higher pay than in America.
zipy124 2y ago
You've looked at postdoc salaries, not PhD salaries. very different. For example in the UK a PhD will get somewhere aroun £19-21k a year, whilst a postdoc will get anywhere from £37-45k a year......
- Amezarak 2y ago
  Thanks for the correction, posting too early in the morning. :)
TypingOutBugs 2y ago
My wife earned that as a postdoc at Stanford, but as a PhD in Oxford earned £14k per year. $55k as a PhD is really really good.

throw098320923 2y ago

> pension Not sure that is a perk. In EU (not sure about this exact offer in Norway) to get ANY money out of pension, you have to work like 30 years at the very same country (not EU). But it is mandatory social insurance (tax) of 10% to 40% of your income.

kgwgk 2y ago
> In EU to get ANY money out of pension, you have to work like 30 years at the very same country (not EU). Quite far from the truth. https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/work/retire-abroad/state-pensions-abroad/indexamp_en.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/work/retire-abroad/sta... Eligibility periods In some EU countries, you must have worked for a minimum period of time to be entitled to a pension. In such cases, the pension authority has to take into account all the periods you've worked in other EU countries, as if you'd been working in that country all along, to assess whether you're entitled to a pension (principle of aggregation of periods). How your pension is calculated Pension authorities in each EU country you've worked in will look at the contributions you've paid into their system, how much you've paid in other countries, and for how long you've worked in different countries.
- portaouflop 2y ago
  In reality the system is already breaking down bc so few people pay into the pension system for so many old pensioners. Idk about Norway tbh - they seem to have a much more solid social system - but in Germany I don’t expect anything from the pension system in 2060+
  - TypingOutBugs 2y ago
    Norway has an insane sovereign wealth fund worth 3x GDP that they can only withdraw 3% from per year and that oil sales go into (as they’re basically self sufficient on hydroelectricity), they own 1.5% of all global equities. Their pension system is probably the strongest in the world.
  - chongli 2y ago

RobotToaster 2y ago

I assume having to learn Norwegian is a small issue?

eirikbakke 2y ago
Norwegians love to speak English.
mnky9800n 2y ago
There are no language requirements to be a phd or postdoc at the university of oslo except in the cases where you may need to speak a scandinavian language to study it such as if you are working at the center for nordic linguistics. So no, you do not need to consider this an issue at all.

cantrecallmypwd 2y ago

Unless someone really want to become a postdoc or tenured PI similar to the calling of a teacher, it's really difficult to justify the lower opportunity (time and money) cost of a Masters' or PhD in the US in tech, for example. After just a few years, one can make 250k USD/yr sometimes without even a 4-year degree in CompSci or related STEM field. I honestly feel dumb for pursuing the equivalent of a reputable BS EE/CS when I could've been making 400k/yr in dotcom times. More power to pure academics who don't pursue money or fame, and instead make an impact.

mnky9800n 2y ago
I am more motivated to find jobs that let me think my thoughts than jobs that maximise my income. People often say well but if you make a lot then you can pay for this. I have found that those that make a lot never find the time to pay for it.