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I don't disagree that there are wild exaggerations being made, my point was just that the UK seems further along the path than its peers. > Have you spent any

I don't disagree that there are wild exaggerations being made, my point was just that the UK seems further along the path than its peers. > Have you spent any time in the UK yourself? The impression of it that you’d get from reading HN is unrecognizable to anyone who lives here. I lived in Scotland for a while and have been to London often enough. It's it's mostly just a normal country, but things can change slowly until all of a sudden it's unavoidable. The cops showing up to peoples houses for opinions tweets is certainly frequent and concerning.

foldr 2y ago
Are you not wildly exaggerating when you suggest that the ‘cops’ frequently show up at people’s houses based on things that they’ve tweeted? There aren’t even enough police officers in the UK for this to be feasible if they wanted to do it.
- kennysoona 2y ago
  I didn't mean to imply that it's happening any time anyone tweet something, but there have been an alarming number of cases of cops showing up at peoples houses for tweets they've made. A far greater number than anything happening in other western countries, which doesn't even have anything close to compare it to. Just to be clear, even 20 times is significant here, I think the actual number is much higher, but even a low number as 20 is concerning when the tweets don't promote violence, terrorism, CSASM or anything illegal.
  - foldr 2y ago
    What exactly is it that you are saying has happened 20 times? Described in objective terms, not using vague and emotive language like “thought police”, etc etc.
    - kennysoona 2y ago
      People in the UK tweeted something online that didn't break any laws. Police showed up to question them. Many of the tweets in question were around gender identity, but were not directly hateful let alone offensive to the point cops need be involved.
      - foldr 2y ago
        It’s still not clear where you’re getting the number 20 from or which incidents you’re talking about. But it sounds like these are cases of people being questioned by police and then…not getting arrested because they weren’t committing a crime. I’m not sure what is supposed to be concerning about that in the abstract. Maybe there’s something concerning about the specific incidents, but you don’t seem inclined to give any details about them.
        kennysoona 2y ago
        > It’s still not clear where you’re getting the number 20 from or which incidents you’re talking about. Eh, I think it's been abundantly clear enough that a quick search would fill in the blanks, but here is one such example: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6636383/Twitter-user-investigated-police-posting-poem-social-media-site.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6636383/Twitter-use..., and it doesn't matter that it's from the DM in this case. > But it sounds like these are cases of people being questioned by police and then…not getting arrested because they weren’t committing a crime. The problem is cops showing up at all for people sharing an opinion. The tweets were visible at cop HQ. Sending cops out reads like intimidation which is something cops do in authoritarian societies.
        foldr 2y ago
        Were you not aware of the subsequent court judgment in favor of the guy in the 2019 article? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-59727118.amp https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-59727118.... No country can prevent all police officers from doing stupid things at all times, but it’s painting a very one-sided picture to leave out this important context. Incidentally, the Daily Mail is not a news source.
hnlmorg 2y ago
You say that but I’ve shared several examples of the same things happening in other countries like America too. So I don’t think the UK is any further along in that regard. There are other areas where the UK is further along though. Such as CCTV surveillance in London. There are also areas where the UK is far less Orwellian, for example our open-mindedness about abortion and gender identity. The UK’s legal system isn’t just defined by what Musk tweets about. ;)
- kennysoona 2y ago
  > You say that but I’ve shared several examples of the same things happening in other countries like America too. You've shown some protestors getting arrested, but I don't believe you can show any equivalent of cops acting as thought police for tweets. > for example our open-mindedness about abortion and gender identity. Funny you say that, because there isn't so much open-mindedness as a forced viewpoint. I'm trans, FWIW, but I don't at all agree with sending cops to peoples houses because a ciswoman has doubts about accepting a transwoman completely as a woman. I'd also say it's other western countries being compared to here, and I don't think the UK is particularly further ahead than other first world nations, aside from the US where it is very much a red/blue state issue.
  - hnlmorg 2y ago
    > You've shown some protestors getting arrested, but I don't believe you can show any equivalent of cops acting as thought police for tweets I have elsewhere. > Funny you say that, because there isn't so much open-mindedness as a forced viewpoint. I'm trans, FWIW, but I don't at all agree with sending cops to peoples houses because a ciswoman has doubts about accepting a transwoman completely as a woman. I wouldn’t say it’s a forced viewpoint here either. Quite the opposite in fact, there’s a lot of really vocal people in the UK who publicly denounce transgender people.
    - kennysoona 2y ago
      > I have elsewhere. Could you relink them? I don't see anything, and I don't think you could show it is to the same extent as in the UK. > I wouldn’t say it’s a forced viewpoint here either. Then why do cops keep showing up for wrongthink?

foldr 2y ago

Are you not wildly exaggerating when you suggest that the ‘cops’ frequently show up at people’s houses based on things that they’ve tweeted? There aren’t even enough police officers in the UK for this to be feasible if they wanted to do it.

kennysoona 2y ago
I didn't mean to imply that it's happening any time anyone tweet something, but there have been an alarming number of cases of cops showing up at peoples houses for tweets they've made. A far greater number than anything happening in other western countries, which doesn't even have anything close to compare it to. Just to be clear, even 20 times is significant here, I think the actual number is much higher, but even a low number as 20 is concerning when the tweets don't promote violence, terrorism, CSASM or anything illegal.
- foldr 2y ago
  What exactly is it that you are saying has happened 20 times? Described in objective terms, not using vague and emotive language like “thought police”, etc etc.
  - kennysoona 2y ago
    People in the UK tweeted something online that didn't break any laws. Police showed up to question them. Many of the tweets in question were around gender identity, but were not directly hateful let alone offensive to the point cops need be involved.
    - foldr 2y ago
      It’s still not clear where you’re getting the number 20 from or which incidents you’re talking about. But it sounds like these are cases of people being questioned by police and then…not getting arrested because they weren’t committing a crime. I’m not sure what is supposed to be concerning about that in the abstract. Maybe there’s something concerning about the specific incidents, but you don’t seem inclined to give any details about them.
      - kennysoona 2y ago
        > It’s still not clear where you’re getting the number 20 from or which incidents you’re talking about. Eh, I think it's been abundantly clear enough that a quick search would fill in the blanks, but here is one such example: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6636383/Twitter-user-investigated-police-posting-poem-social-media-site.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6636383/Twitter-use..., and it doesn't matter that it's from the DM in this case. > But it sounds like these are cases of people being questioned by police and then…not getting arrested because they weren’t committing a crime. The problem is cops showing up at all for people sharing an opinion. The tweets were visible at cop HQ. Sending cops out reads like intimidation which is something cops do in authoritarian societies.
        foldr 2y ago
        Were you not aware of the subsequent court judgment in favor of the guy in the 2019 article? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-59727118.amp https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-59727118.... No country can prevent all police officers from doing stupid things at all times, but it’s painting a very one-sided picture to leave out this important context. Incidentally, the Daily Mail is not a news source.

hnlmorg 2y ago

You say that but I’ve shared several examples of the same things happening in other countries like America too. So I don’t think the UK is any further along in that regard. There are other areas where the UK is further along though. Such as CCTV surveillance in London. There are also areas where the UK is far less Orwellian, for example our open-mindedness about abortion and gender identity. The UK’s legal system isn’t just defined by what Musk tweets about. ;)

kennysoona 2y ago
> You say that but I’ve shared several examples of the same things happening in other countries like America too. You've shown some protestors getting arrested, but I don't believe you can show any equivalent of cops acting as thought police for tweets. > for example our open-mindedness about abortion and gender identity. Funny you say that, because there isn't so much open-mindedness as a forced viewpoint. I'm trans, FWIW, but I don't at all agree with sending cops to peoples houses because a ciswoman has doubts about accepting a transwoman completely as a woman. I'd also say it's other western countries being compared to here, and I don't think the UK is particularly further ahead than other first world nations, aside from the US where it is very much a red/blue state issue.
- hnlmorg 2y ago
  > You've shown some protestors getting arrested, but I don't believe you can show any equivalent of cops acting as thought police for tweets I have elsewhere. > Funny you say that, because there isn't so much open-mindedness as a forced viewpoint. I'm trans, FWIW, but I don't at all agree with sending cops to peoples houses because a ciswoman has doubts about accepting a transwoman completely as a woman. I wouldn’t say it’s a forced viewpoint here either. Quite the opposite in fact, there’s a lot of really vocal people in the UK who publicly denounce transgender people.
  - kennysoona 2y ago
    > I have elsewhere. Could you relink them? I don't see anything, and I don't think you could show it is to the same extent as in the UK. > I wouldn’t say it’s a forced viewpoint here either. Then why do cops keep showing up for wrongthink?