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• shurane 14y ago
  Yeah, I don't like it when people spout speed comparisons without backing it up either. A lot of people do want/need PCRE, which ack relieves the pain point for.
  • spudlyo 14y ago
    GNU grep also supports PCRE. chunky:~$ otool -L /usr/bin/grep | grep pcre; grep --help | grep perl /usr/lib/libpcre.0.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1.1.0) -P, --perl-regexp PATTERN is a Perl regular expression Many users choose ack over grep for the same reason they choose htop over top, tmux over screen, zsh over bash, and postgres over mysql -- the perception that one is significantly better than the other. This advocacy often comes from folks whose use and understanding of either tool is superficial at best.
    • ralph 14y ago
      I often see ack recommended by word of mouth but unfortunately I feel it's between programmers that don't understand the Unix command-line enough to instruct grep, find, xargs, etc., sufficiently accurately to do what they intend and ack has the allure of doing the right thing, though often slowly, as you say. GNU grep's -I option to ignore binary files for example, or -boa to search binary files. Once the standard commands are learnt then by all means use ack if you understand the trade-offs and can fall back to the normal way when on another system or when ack's insufficient.
      • pydave 14y ago
        How would you exclude the same kinds of files that ack does in grep without typing out the exclude patterns? As described here ( http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/default-grep-options/ http://blog.sanctum.geek.nz/default-grep-options/ ), you could use GREP_OPTIONS, but then you run into the problems here ( http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24141/ http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/24141/ ) -- scripts that use grep without clearing GREP_OPTIONS will fail. Do you have an alias? Or another script that wraps grep?
        • spudlyo 14y ago
          find . -type f -name \*.[ch] | grep -v \\.git | xargs grep something Normally my directories aren't going to have .bzr, .git, .hg, and .svn in the same directory tree, but if they did it wouldn't be that much harder. alias nocrap="egrep -v \\.\(git\|bzr\|hg\|svn\)" find . -type f -name \*.[ch]| nocrap | xargs grep whatever This is how I do it because I'm lazy. I suppose I could tell find to exclude directories so it wouldn't have to recurse into them, but the list of directories and files in my source tree is almost always in buffer cache anyway, so I never really worry about it.
          • ralph 14y ago
            You might want to consider using single quotes to protect your globs and regexps more rather than backslashes. \✳.[ch] will match the ./✳.c that may have been accidentally created by an earlier error, then find will only look for a file called precisely ✳.c and nothing else. '✳.[ch]' or \✳.\[ch] is what's meant. (Edited to use ✳ to workaround unescapable mark-up.)
    • dkersten 14y ago
      htop over top, tmux over screen, zsh over bash, and postgres over mysql That doesn't seem like a good comparison to me. I use htop over top because it has features that top doesn't have (the funky coloured ASCII graphs). I use tmux over screen because unicode seems to work without any effort on my part. I use bash because I have never looked at zsh in detail and don't care enough. I use postgres because I like its license better than mysql and its not controlled by any one company. So its not at all about the perception that one is significantly better than the other, at least for me, its about specific features (license is a feature). Or in the case of zsh vs bash, where there are no specific features, I use bash because it seems to be the default on most distros.
    • antidoh 14y ago
      I like ack because I like the output format better.