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Do the Germans have any non verbal only steps that they can take regarding Russian?

by duxup 2y ago

tw1231273 2y ago
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- 4gotunameagain 2y ago
  It's funny to see how HN is immediately turning into reddit when anything goes political, with people downvoting and flagging replies they disagree with. It would for sure be a blow to Russia to repatriate all those people. But the implications of forcing people to go to war.. Germany would not do that under the current government, and they should not. Nobody should be forced to go to war.
  - motorest 2y ago
    > (...) with people downvoting and flagging replies they disagree with. You're posting that comparison in a thread started by a freshly created troll account baiting users with conspiracy-oriented talking points. And your reaction is to wonder why the comments are down voted and flagged?
    - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
      What makes you say it's a troll baiting with conspiracy? To me it seems like a valuable talking point from game theory perspective even if it's not what children would like to hear. How do you fight a war if every one of your citizens tries to seek refugee status in other countries?
      - motorest 2y ago
        > What makes you say it's a troll baiting with conspiracy? Read the comment history. It's 3 comments long. > To me it seems like (...) To me it's obvious it's a troll account pushing conspiratorial talking points. People who see that in a post will downvote and flag a message.
        ltk12312 2y ago
        [flagged]
        Vilian 2y ago
        Said the troll account with 3 comments
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    >Nobody should be forced to go to war. Except that's not how it works in reality now nor ever when war happens. Ukrainian men ARE absolutely being forced to the front lines against their will because no normal man is crazy enough to go to certain death or trauma if they can avoid it. Just look up videos on social media of Ukrainian recruiters patrolling the streets and beating men uncircuitous and dragging them in vans to take them to training centers simply because they don't want to go and fight. My EU country who borders Ukraine is constantly having to rescue men who risk their lives crossing the border illegally in order to escape the draft. Yeah, nobody should be forced to go to war in some rosy utopia, but how do you defend yourself in a war when nobody wants to fight?
    - tumsfestival 2y ago
      >Yeah, nobody should be forced to go to war in some rosy utopia, but how do you defend yourself in a war when nobody wants to fight? You don't. If your population doesn't want to fight, then that's that. Sure you can force them, but don't be surprised if it backfires somehow.
  - Yizahi 2y ago
    OP was being sarcastic, I guess. Also, assuming 250k people will be teleported straight into armed forces, this will does almost nothing to the high level course of war. Sure, it will help with morals a lot, it will allow to relieve many people fighting non-stop for years now, it will possibly help slow or even stop ruzzian advance. But on the high level it won't matter because those 250k new people won't have any significant hardware to fight with. No new rockets, no new launchers, no new planes, no new radars, no new bombs, no new tanks, no new IFVs, no new AA, no new trucks even. Ruzzia has a significant edge in the amount of working military hardware and keeps a lot of stuff in reserve. To break them, in order to move at least to the 2014 borders a lot more additional military hardware would be a mandatory requirement, regardless of the human headcount.
  - polotics 2y ago
    Sure of course, but in recent years, it is war that has somehow forced itself onto and into many bodies...
- duxup 2y ago
  I’m not sure how much Ukraine wants an influx of 250k (let’s assume they could do it) unwilling citizen soldiers. Maybe they would …
  - nthingtohide 2y ago
    > unwilling. will doesn't matter here. Only game theory. Either die by a gunshot by your commanding officer or by the enemy bullet. The second death option happens little latter if at all.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - Akasazh 2y ago
      Yeah the Russians try that and it can't beat a much smaller, yet determined army.
      - nthingtohide 2y ago
        I would rather watch cute puppy tiktoks than go fight a war and waste my life for elites who use millions like pawns. I was making a point that will of common man is not considered by elites, an established structure is used to make them fight and then words like brave, determined, strategic are thrown over and used over their dead bodies.
- __m 2y ago
  that would go against EU law.
  - 2-3-7-43-1807 2y ago
    exactly ... But why is there so much sympathy with leaving the EU? I don't get it. /s
    - __m 2y ago
      But even then, there is Article 1 (Human Dignity) and Article 16a (Right to Asylum) in the german constitution, with Article 1 being immutable by the Eternity Clause.

Do the Germans have any non verbal only steps that they can take regarding Russian?

by duxup 2y ago

Do the Germans have any non verbal only steps that they can take regarding Russian?

tw1231273 2y ago

[flagged]

4gotunameagain 2y ago
It's funny to see how HN is immediately turning into reddit when anything goes political, with people downvoting and flagging replies they disagree with. It would for sure be a blow to Russia to repatriate all those people. But the implications of forcing people to go to war.. Germany would not do that under the current government, and they should not. Nobody should be forced to go to war.
- motorest 2y ago
  > (...) with people downvoting and flagging replies they disagree with. You're posting that comparison in a thread started by a freshly created troll account baiting users with conspiracy-oriented talking points. And your reaction is to wonder why the comments are down voted and flagged?
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    What makes you say it's a troll baiting with conspiracy? To me it seems like a valuable talking point from game theory perspective even if it's not what children would like to hear. How do you fight a war if every one of your citizens tries to seek refugee status in other countries?
    - motorest 2y ago
      > What makes you say it's a troll baiting with conspiracy? Read the comment history. It's 3 comments long. > To me it seems like (...) To me it's obvious it's a troll account pushing conspiratorial talking points. People who see that in a post will downvote and flag a message.
      - ltk12312 2y ago
        [flagged]
        Vilian 2y ago
        Said the troll account with 3 comments
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  >Nobody should be forced to go to war. Except that's not how it works in reality now nor ever when war happens. Ukrainian men ARE absolutely being forced to the front lines against their will because no normal man is crazy enough to go to certain death or trauma if they can avoid it. Just look up videos on social media of Ukrainian recruiters patrolling the streets and beating men uncircuitous and dragging them in vans to take them to training centers simply because they don't want to go and fight. My EU country who borders Ukraine is constantly having to rescue men who risk their lives crossing the border illegally in order to escape the draft. Yeah, nobody should be forced to go to war in some rosy utopia, but how do you defend yourself in a war when nobody wants to fight?
  - tumsfestival 2y ago
    >Yeah, nobody should be forced to go to war in some rosy utopia, but how do you defend yourself in a war when nobody wants to fight? You don't. If your population doesn't want to fight, then that's that. Sure you can force them, but don't be surprised if it backfires somehow.
- Yizahi 2y ago
  OP was being sarcastic, I guess. Also, assuming 250k people will be teleported straight into armed forces, this will does almost nothing to the high level course of war. Sure, it will help with morals a lot, it will allow to relieve many people fighting non-stop for years now, it will possibly help slow or even stop ruzzian advance. But on the high level it won't matter because those 250k new people won't have any significant hardware to fight with. No new rockets, no new launchers, no new planes, no new radars, no new bombs, no new tanks, no new IFVs, no new AA, no new trucks even. Ruzzia has a significant edge in the amount of working military hardware and keeps a lot of stuff in reserve. To break them, in order to move at least to the 2014 borders a lot more additional military hardware would be a mandatory requirement, regardless of the human headcount.
- polotics 2y ago
  Sure of course, but in recent years, it is war that has somehow forced itself onto and into many bodies...
duxup 2y ago
I’m not sure how much Ukraine wants an influx of 250k (let’s assume they could do it) unwilling citizen soldiers. Maybe they would …
- nthingtohide 2y ago
  > unwilling. will doesn't matter here. Only game theory. Either die by a gunshot by your commanding officer or by the enemy bullet. The second death option happens little latter if at all.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - Akasazh 2y ago
    Yeah the Russians try that and it can't beat a much smaller, yet determined army.
    - nthingtohide 2y ago
      I would rather watch cute puppy tiktoks than go fight a war and waste my life for elites who use millions like pawns. I was making a point that will of common man is not considered by elites, an established structure is used to make them fight and then words like brave, determined, strategic are thrown over and used over their dead bodies.
__m 2y ago
that would go against EU law.
- 2-3-7-43-1807 2y ago
  exactly ... But why is there so much sympathy with leaving the EU? I don't get it. /s
  - __m 2y ago
    But even then, there is Article 1 (Human Dignity) and Article 16a (Right to Asylum) in the german constitution, with Article 1 being immutable by the Eternity Clause.