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Because HN has a reputation and this influences that reputation. The same way an open relay would harm your MTA reputation or an open redirect harms your domain

Because HN has a reputation and this influences that reputation. The same way an open relay would harm your MTA reputation or an open redirect harms your domain reputation. So if HN were to think: "gee, we don't want to delete this content, but we also see how it breaks the rules", they could opt to put some noindex flags for the robots to consume which is a very cheap way to try to do something that reflects their own rules. It is of course possible that this is no reputation effect at all, and there is also no interest on a human level in all of this. In such a case, nothing happens.

adastra22 2y ago
It seems to be smearing HN’s reputation. They don’t even point out any examples of this supposed behavior. They just link to something entirely unrelated.
- oneplane 2y ago
  To me it seems to perfectly outline HN's reputation when moderation is delayed. This brigading has been happening on multiple projects for years, specifically by the actors mentioned in the link, but plenty of others as well. If anything, this specific behaviour and these actors have been outlined by articles dedicated to just that, right here on this sited. Granted, other sites are often lumped in here as well, such as reddit and even stackoverflow. This is not new behaviour, it happens in all communities. The big differences between them all is to what degree they get abused and in what manner. As for examples: I doubt people who are targeted will want to share their experience with anyone directly. Someone asking for it to stop should be enough.
  - adastra22 2y ago
    It is entirely reasonable to ask for an example. Even a single example will do. I’m not the only one who has never seen this before.
    - oneplane 2y ago
      I think it's reasonable to ask, but unreasonable and unrealistic to expect someone to come tell their story just for you. Even if you (and others) have never seen this before. What you could do is plug "Asahi Linux targeted" in to any search engine and read as much as you like. It's not like this is very new either, this mess has been going on for years now. As usual, it's also your average internet mud-flinging contest, but at the core the issue of harassment stands, and shining a light on it regardless of the actors is always a good idea.
      - adastra22 2y ago
        'Asahi Linux targeted "hacker news"' got no results other than this exact conversation.
        oneplane 2y ago
        That's why I wrote "Asahi Linux targeted". The results cannot be linked here as the contents would violate the guidelines.
        adastra22 2y ago
        You are claiming that asahi Linux has been harassed on hacker news. There appears to be no evidence of this.
      - electroly 2y ago
        > unreasonable and unrealistic to expect someone to come tell their story just for you They are explicitly* asking us to take action--the onus is on them to explain to us why we should take action. They have not, so no action will happen. It's as simple as that. We aren't the ones asking for something to be done here. Kiwi Farms is a terrible website that does terrible things. What does that have to do with us? Barring any explanation from them, my conclusion is that it doesn't have anything to do with us. * "Please demand change within your community."

adastra22 2y ago

It seems to be smearing HN’s reputation. They don’t even point out any examples of this supposed behavior. They just link to something entirely unrelated.

oneplane 2y ago
To me it seems to perfectly outline HN's reputation when moderation is delayed. This brigading has been happening on multiple projects for years, specifically by the actors mentioned in the link, but plenty of others as well. If anything, this specific behaviour and these actors have been outlined by articles dedicated to just that, right here on this sited. Granted, other sites are often lumped in here as well, such as reddit and even stackoverflow. This is not new behaviour, it happens in all communities. The big differences between them all is to what degree they get abused and in what manner. As for examples: I doubt people who are targeted will want to share their experience with anyone directly. Someone asking for it to stop should be enough.
- adastra22 2y ago
  It is entirely reasonable to ask for an example. Even a single example will do. I’m not the only one who has never seen this before.
  - oneplane 2y ago
    I think it's reasonable to ask, but unreasonable and unrealistic to expect someone to come tell their story just for you. Even if you (and others) have never seen this before. What you could do is plug "Asahi Linux targeted" in to any search engine and read as much as you like. It's not like this is very new either, this mess has been going on for years now. As usual, it's also your average internet mud-flinging contest, but at the core the issue of harassment stands, and shining a light on it regardless of the actors is always a good idea.
    - adastra22 2y ago
      'Asahi Linux targeted "hacker news"' got no results other than this exact conversation.
      - oneplane 2y ago
        That's why I wrote "Asahi Linux targeted". The results cannot be linked here as the contents would violate the guidelines.
        adastra22 2y ago
        You are claiming that asahi Linux has been harassed on hacker news. There appears to be no evidence of this.
    - electroly 2y ago
      > unreasonable and unrealistic to expect someone to come tell their story just for you They are explicitly* asking us to take action--the onus is on them to explain to us why we should take action. They have not, so no action will happen. It's as simple as that. We aren't the ones asking for something to be done here. Kiwi Farms is a terrible website that does terrible things. What does that have to do with us? Barring any explanation from them, my conclusion is that it doesn't have anything to do with us. * "Please demand change within your community."