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why does it need to be genuine? no one is really expecting corporations to be genuinely decent. regardless of the company's true intent, they were officially de

why does it need to be genuine? no one is really expecting corporations to be genuinely decent. regardless of the company's true intent, they were officially declaring a commitment which is then followed up on by action such as policy decisions, and that was done to attract talent and make it easier to do business in general. What changed now is white supremacists took over the US government and the cost of doing business is higher when you support DEI. Of course, everyone knows "DEI" really wasn't the point, "DEI" just means people who look different than those in power right now. Removal of DEI sends a message just as it's inclusion did.

inetknght 2y ago
> no one is really expecting corporations to be genuinely decent Speak for yourself. I do expect publicly-owned corporations to be decent, otherwise they do not deserve to be publicly owned. Unfortunately, it seems money gets in the way of that every day.
- notepad0x90 2y ago
  publicly owned typically means owned by wealthy investors. it is silly to expect people who hoard billions of dollars they can't ever use to be decent people, although I'm sure there are exceptions. But even if I am wrong, the purpose of a business is to make profit at all costs, people tend to compartmentalize their morally conformant selves so that they can give to charity or say nice things when they are not their work-self, and be all about business when they turn on their work mode.
the_doctah 2y ago
DEI means illegal hiring quotas.
- notepad0x90 2y ago
  that's what I'm trying to say, it does not mean that. you're just spreading false white-supremacist propaganda. If you have multiple well qualified applicants (you get to decide what the qualifications are) and time after time you establish a preference based on protected group criteria like race or sex, then under the civil rights acts the EEO can sue you. that has been the case since the 60's, that is not DEI! There is no "DEI" government policy or law. DEI is something citizens developed to ensure everyone is made to feel welcome in different organizations. You can call it b.s. or performative and you would be right, but it isn't what you claim it is.
  - the_doctah 2y ago
    Sorry, but I work in the real world, and I see it first hand. I agree it is illegal. But someone with the power to prosecute has to care first. Look at the bloomberg report from 2023[1]. You really think 94% hiring of non-whites was organic? Literally impossible. Calling any of this white supremacy is laughable. [1]https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-e...
    - notepad0x90 2y ago
      so, let me get this straight. You think it's better to illeminate DEI instead of people using it as an excuse to break the law? You know there is a pattern here I think. With illegal migration, they go after migrants instead of employers breaking the law to hire them. It is indeed white supremacy because you're using DEI as an excuse to go after marginalized people instead of law breakers. I too have seen managers hire people based on things like race, why is no one going after them? They're not breaking the law because they're being coerced by DEI, they're breaking the law to appease each other and to do business illegally. Just like DEI was abused to further racism against white people, anti-DEI is being abused by the same people to harm the people DEI was designed to include. But the actual law breakers, no one is touching. You can keep DEI as it is and go after equal opportunity violators just fine, but that isn't happening because that isn't their goal. Racism is their goal.

inetknght 2y ago

> no one is really expecting corporations to be genuinely decent Speak for yourself. I do expect publicly-owned corporations to be decent, otherwise they do not deserve to be publicly owned. Unfortunately, it seems money gets in the way of that every day.

notepad0x90 2y ago
publicly owned typically means owned by wealthy investors. it is silly to expect people who hoard billions of dollars they can't ever use to be decent people, although I'm sure there are exceptions. But even if I am wrong, the purpose of a business is to make profit at all costs, people tend to compartmentalize their morally conformant selves so that they can give to charity or say nice things when they are not their work-self, and be all about business when they turn on their work mode.

the_doctah 2y ago

DEI means illegal hiring quotas.

notepad0x90 2y ago
that's what I'm trying to say, it does not mean that. you're just spreading false white-supremacist propaganda. If you have multiple well qualified applicants (you get to decide what the qualifications are) and time after time you establish a preference based on protected group criteria like race or sex, then under the civil rights acts the EEO can sue you. that has been the case since the 60's, that is not DEI! There is no "DEI" government policy or law. DEI is something citizens developed to ensure everyone is made to feel welcome in different organizations. You can call it b.s. or performative and you would be right, but it isn't what you claim it is.
- the_doctah 2y ago
  Sorry, but I work in the real world, and I see it first hand. I agree it is illegal. But someone with the power to prosecute has to care first. Look at the bloomberg report from 2023[1]. You really think 94% hiring of non-whites was organic? Literally impossible. Calling any of this white supremacy is laughable. [1]https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-e...
  - notepad0x90 2y ago
    so, let me get this straight. You think it's better to illeminate DEI instead of people using it as an excuse to break the law? You know there is a pattern here I think. With illegal migration, they go after migrants instead of employers breaking the law to hire them. It is indeed white supremacy because you're using DEI as an excuse to go after marginalized people instead of law breakers. I too have seen managers hire people based on things like race, why is no one going after them? They're not breaking the law because they're being coerced by DEI, they're breaking the law to appease each other and to do business illegally. Just like DEI was abused to further racism against white people, anti-DEI is being abused by the same people to harm the people DEI was designed to include. But the actual law breakers, no one is touching. You can keep DEI as it is and go after equal opportunity violators just fine, but that isn't happening because that isn't their goal. Racism is their goal.