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I'd love to pay for Kagi with crypto, the main thing for me is the steep transfer fees. Nevertheless those can be offset somewhat with bulk payments. How abou

I'd love to pay for Kagi with crypto, the main thing for me is the steep transfer fees. Nevertheless those can be offset somewhat with bulk payments. How about ability to buy like 3 years of Kagi at a time with crypto? When I try to go into billing in Kagi I just get forwarded to Stripe. Does Stripe process the crypto payments?

kobieps 2y ago
paying with bitcoin lightning has close to zero transfer fees edit: on desktop, on the page where you choose your plan, scroll to the bottom and look for the link to paying with OpenNode (btc lightning)
- lawn 2y ago
  Lightning just isn't a good option as you first have to pay the expensive Bitcoin fees just to be able to use it... (And hope that you'll find a route otherwise you'll have to do it again.)
  - kobieps 2y ago
    If $0.27 is an expensive fee then I don't have any answers to that. Yeah routing can suck. First timers should use a lightning wallet with built in LSP support like ZEUS, BitKit, Phoenix, etc. Then routing is a non-issue.
    - lawn 2y ago
      Bitcoin average transaction fees is rarely under $1: https://ycharts.com/indicators/bitcoin_average_transaction_fee https://ycharts.com/indicators/bitcoin_average_transaction_f... I think it's better to use another cryptocurrency like Monero than having to rely on a centralized service just to get a half-decent user experience.
      - kobieps 2y ago
        People regularly overpay, so I'm not sure looking at average fees it the right lens. Monero is great, but it's trivial to get an excellent user experience with lightning nowadays that doesn't require custodians.
        lawn 2y ago
        The reason people overpay is that it's impossible to foresee what fee will get you into the next block, so they overpay to not get stuck potentially for hours or more. Not requiring custodians is just one part, having to rely on third-party services for basic functionality is another.
lawn 2y ago
Monero itself has very low fees. It's almost only Bitcoin that has the absurdly expensive fees.

kobieps 2y ago

paying with bitcoin lightning has close to zero transfer fees edit: on desktop, on the page where you choose your plan, scroll to the bottom and look for the link to paying with OpenNode (btc lightning)

lawn 2y ago
Lightning just isn't a good option as you first have to pay the expensive Bitcoin fees just to be able to use it... (And hope that you'll find a route otherwise you'll have to do it again.)
- kobieps 2y ago
  If $0.27 is an expensive fee then I don't have any answers to that. Yeah routing can suck. First timers should use a lightning wallet with built in LSP support like ZEUS, BitKit, Phoenix, etc. Then routing is a non-issue.
  - lawn 2y ago
    Bitcoin average transaction fees is rarely under $1: https://ycharts.com/indicators/bitcoin_average_transaction_fee https://ycharts.com/indicators/bitcoin_average_transaction_f... I think it's better to use another cryptocurrency like Monero than having to rely on a centralized service just to get a half-decent user experience.
    - kobieps 2y ago
      People regularly overpay, so I'm not sure looking at average fees it the right lens. Monero is great, but it's trivial to get an excellent user experience with lightning nowadays that doesn't require custodians.
      - lawn 2y ago
        The reason people overpay is that it's impossible to foresee what fee will get you into the next block, so they overpay to not get stuck potentially for hours or more. Not requiring custodians is just one part, having to rely on third-party services for basic functionality is another.

lawn 2y ago

Monero itself has very low fees. It's almost only Bitcoin that has the absurdly expensive fees.