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At least UK demands it openly. The US spied on EU’s industry with ECHOLON, 9/11 prevented further investigations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON https:

by croes 2y ago

At least UK demands it openly. The US spied on EU’s industry with ECHOLON, 9/11 prevented further investigations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON And the US and Germany sold backdoored crypto hardware to allies per Crypto AG in Switzerland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG My point is: the UK demands are bad but I‘m sure the US agencies have similar demands and also backdoors, I‘m looking at you Cisco, just not openly. The UK is playing with open cards, the US don‘t. I trust neither but the US are more devious.

gruez 2y ago
>The US spied on EU’s industry with ECHOLON, 9/11 prevented further investigations. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON >And the US and Germany sold backdoored crypto hardware to allies per Crypto AG in Switzerland. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG From a quick skim it looks like in both cases surveillance was bilateral? In other words, European partner countries also got access. Again, I'm not claiming US doesn't do any surveillance, that would be absurd. I'm specifically arguing against OP's claim that "American government have [...] access to all non-American's personal data", and that their access was somehow exclusive. All the source you presented so far only points towards the US having access to some data (in other words, they have an intelligence agency), and that they cooperate with foreign governments in some cases to get data. >My point is: the UK demands are bad but I‘m sure the US agencies have similar demands and also backdoors, I‘m looking at you Cisco, just not openly. Do you have evidence for US having backdoors in cisco hardware other than being "sure"?
- croes 2y ago
  https://www.theregister.com/2019/05/02/cisco_vulnerabilities/ https://www.theregister.com/2019/05/02/cisco_vulnerabilities... https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cisco-backdoor-hardcoded-accounts-software,37480.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cisco-backdoor-hardcoded-a... Either Cisco is the most incompetent security company and should be excluded from any state use or at least some of the „errors“ are one purpose.

by croes 2y ago

gruez 2y ago

>The US spied on EU’s industry with ECHOLON, 9/11 prevented further investigations. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON >And the US and Germany sold backdoored crypto hardware to allies per Crypto AG in Switzerland. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG From a quick skim it looks like in both cases surveillance was bilateral? In other words, European partner countries also got access. Again, I'm not claiming US doesn't do any surveillance, that would be absurd. I'm specifically arguing against OP's claim that "American government have [...] access to all non-American's personal data", and that their access was somehow exclusive. All the source you presented so far only points towards the US having access to some data (in other words, they have an intelligence agency), and that they cooperate with foreign governments in some cases to get data. >My point is: the UK demands are bad but I‘m sure the US agencies have similar demands and also backdoors, I‘m looking at you Cisco, just not openly. Do you have evidence for US having backdoors in cisco hardware other than being "sure"?

croes 2y ago
https://www.theregister.com/2019/05/02/cisco_vulnerabilities/ https://www.theregister.com/2019/05/02/cisco_vulnerabilities... https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cisco-backdoor-hardcoded-accounts-software,37480.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/cisco-backdoor-hardcoded-a... Either Cisco is the most incompetent security company and should be excluded from any state use or at least some of the „errors“ are one purpose.