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I keep hearing them talking about "fraud", but I've yet to see it substantiated. Where are the reports? Where is the evidence? If we consider Musk to be an u

I keep hearing them talking about "fraud", but I've yet to see it substantiated. Where are the reports? Where is the evidence? If we consider Musk to be an unreliable actor (I do), then I need more than his word.

ModernMech 2y ago
> If we consider Musk to be an unreliable actor (I do), Musk said himself yesterday that he expects to be wrong, he has been wrong, and we should all scrutinize him thoroughly. So even he admits he's an unreliable actor.
- lowkey_ 2y ago
  We like to use the principle of charitable interpretation on here, and to be charitable, I think it's really clear he was saying that everybody should expect to be wrong sometimes, has been wrong, and should be scrutinized thoroughly. To label someone as an unreliable actor is different than using our own free will and minds to analyze actions and determine truth.
  - ModernMech 2y ago
    Competent people use processes, procedures, and safeguards to minimize human error. It's easy to say "everyone makes mistakes" when you're just a guy, but when you're wielding the powers of the presidency in such an unbalanced and unchecked way, he should be reassuring us how he will assure the trustworthiness of his proclamations going forward. Instead, he gestures vaguely to the human condition. How can you say he's not an unreliable actor? The man has unlimited resources, power, and the best information available to him. He also is in a position of dizzying public trust right now, so really he should be making the utmost effort to be above reproach. "Aw shucks man, what do you expect, I'm just human after all" is not reassuring. And I'm sorry that's not a charitable enough take, but we are far past the time for benefit of the doubt.
lowkey_ 2y ago
Does the tens of millions in "executive coaching" and "strategic communication" contracts really not look like fraud to you, or do you not believe that they're there because it's DOGE reporting it? I think they're moving as fast as possible right now, and it takes a while to investigate & report.
lowkey_ 2y ago
Also, found an interesting source from the federal government during the Biden administration: https://www.gao.gov/blog/federal-government-made-236-billion-improper-payments-last-fiscal-year https://www.gao.gov/blog/federal-government-made-236-billion...

ModernMech 2y ago

> If we consider Musk to be an unreliable actor (I do), Musk said himself yesterday that he expects to be wrong, he has been wrong, and we should all scrutinize him thoroughly. So even he admits he's an unreliable actor.

lowkey_ 2y ago
We like to use the principle of charitable interpretation on here, and to be charitable, I think it's really clear he was saying that everybody should expect to be wrong sometimes, has been wrong, and should be scrutinized thoroughly. To label someone as an unreliable actor is different than using our own free will and minds to analyze actions and determine truth.
- ModernMech 2y ago
  Competent people use processes, procedures, and safeguards to minimize human error. It's easy to say "everyone makes mistakes" when you're just a guy, but when you're wielding the powers of the presidency in such an unbalanced and unchecked way, he should be reassuring us how he will assure the trustworthiness of his proclamations going forward. Instead, he gestures vaguely to the human condition. How can you say he's not an unreliable actor? The man has unlimited resources, power, and the best information available to him. He also is in a position of dizzying public trust right now, so really he should be making the utmost effort to be above reproach. "Aw shucks man, what do you expect, I'm just human after all" is not reassuring. And I'm sorry that's not a charitable enough take, but we are far past the time for benefit of the doubt.

lowkey_ 2y ago

Does the tens of millions in "executive coaching" and "strategic communication" contracts really not look like fraud to you, or do you not believe that they're there because it's DOGE reporting it? I think they're moving as fast as possible right now, and it takes a while to investigate & report.

lowkey_ 2y ago

Also, found an interesting source from the federal government during the Biden administration: https://www.gao.gov/blog/federal-government-made-236-billion-improper-payments-last-fiscal-year https://www.gao.gov/blog/federal-government-made-236-billion...