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I was an early donator to marcan and never expected any delivery from Asahi project, just thought that the idea of having Linux of Apple Silicon was awesome and

I was an early donator to marcan and never expected any delivery from Asahi project, just thought that the idea of having Linux of Apple Silicon was awesome and worthy of my support. But then marcan told his supportes to fuck off unless they commit to supporting his political ideas, which I was not willing to do. I guess this comment will be seen as abuse from the HN crowd. Oh well...

alberth 2y ago
> But then marcan told his supportes to f* off unless they commit to supporting his political ideas As someone not in the know, would you mind elaborating.
- selectnull 2y ago
  There is really not much to elaborate: I was supporting the idea of Linux on Apple Silicon. I would support that idea even today (without even installing it really) but because of marcan's twitter/mastodon (I don't remember which) posts. Btw, those accounts are on longer active, I presume marcan deleted them (go to marcan's About page and see for yourself). Now, if you want me to explain what political ideas those were: I don't care. Whatever they are, I don't want to support it, even if I have those same ideas. Yes, I do think that open source communities should move away from the politics.
xyzsparetimexyz 2y ago
He seems to take a lot of things that are fairly neutral or merely untactful as being bad faith. Like the "thin blue line" comment by Dr Greg. Sure the whole thing blue line thing in reference to the police misrepresents their role in society (police in most western countries are fairly useless at best and actively harmful at worse), but Occam's razor just suggests that Dr Greg was just making a tactless remark rather than being super pro po-po.
sharpshadow 2y ago
It sounds weird and somehow I don’t think it was communicated that way, even if I wasn’t there. You say he said I don’t want your money unless you follow my ideology? Did he then send you the money back after checking your social media? Out of curiosity what are his political views? It has been mentioned a couple of times here already and it seems to be part of the story.
LocutusOfBorges 2y ago
> But then marcan told his supportes to fuck off unless they commit to supporting his political ideas, which I was not willing to do. Is this about Marcan’s outspoken support for transgender people? If so, why not simply say that in your comment, rather than framing it in such vague terms?
- selectnull 2y ago
  Because I think it's not important in the context of this discussion. Whatever their views are, I am not willing to be forced to think about them.
  - LocutusOfBorges 2y ago
    …So it is about the fact that you object to his support for transgender people? Surely you see why this is, actually, directly relevant and important context for your statement. It’s not some general political leaning you’re talking about - lumping this (prejudice against a minority group) into the same category as something like banal disagreements over taxation policy amounts to deliberately obscuring what you’re saying behind innuendo. If you’ve got something to say about his political views in a public forum like this, at least do the people around you the courtesy of being upfront about what you’re actually saying.
    - selectnull 2y ago
      And here we go again, there is never a neutral position with some people. I support the freedom of people chosing their sex or gender. At the same time, I'm not willing to fight their wars. And if they force me to go to war, then I pass.
- cchcch 2y ago
  Comments like this are why people find transactivists so irritating. Whether they happen to agree with them or not. No-one even mentioned transgender issues yet here you are bringing them up to start an argument. Not everything is about trans you know.

alberth 2y ago

> But then marcan told his supportes to f* off unless they commit to supporting his political ideas As someone not in the know, would you mind elaborating.

selectnull 2y ago
There is really not much to elaborate: I was supporting the idea of Linux on Apple Silicon. I would support that idea even today (without even installing it really) but because of marcan's twitter/mastodon (I don't remember which) posts. Btw, those accounts are on longer active, I presume marcan deleted them (go to marcan's About page and see for yourself). Now, if you want me to explain what political ideas those were: I don't care. Whatever they are, I don't want to support it, even if I have those same ideas. Yes, I do think that open source communities should move away from the politics.

xyzsparetimexyz 2y ago

He seems to take a lot of things that are fairly neutral or merely untactful as being bad faith. Like the "thin blue line" comment by Dr Greg. Sure the whole thing blue line thing in reference to the police misrepresents their role in society (police in most western countries are fairly useless at best and actively harmful at worse), but Occam's razor just suggests that Dr Greg was just making a tactless remark rather than being super pro po-po.

sharpshadow 2y ago

It sounds weird and somehow I don’t think it was communicated that way, even if I wasn’t there. You say he said I don’t want your money unless you follow my ideology? Did he then send you the money back after checking your social media? Out of curiosity what are his political views? It has been mentioned a couple of times here already and it seems to be part of the story.

LocutusOfBorges 2y ago

> But then marcan told his supportes to fuck off unless they commit to supporting his political ideas, which I was not willing to do. Is this about Marcan’s outspoken support for transgender people? If so, why not simply say that in your comment, rather than framing it in such vague terms?

selectnull 2y ago
Because I think it's not important in the context of this discussion. Whatever their views are, I am not willing to be forced to think about them.
- LocutusOfBorges 2y ago
  …So it is about the fact that you object to his support for transgender people? Surely you see why this is, actually, directly relevant and important context for your statement. It’s not some general political leaning you’re talking about - lumping this (prejudice against a minority group) into the same category as something like banal disagreements over taxation policy amounts to deliberately obscuring what you’re saying behind innuendo. If you’ve got something to say about his political views in a public forum like this, at least do the people around you the courtesy of being upfront about what you’re actually saying.
  - selectnull 2y ago
    And here we go again, there is never a neutral position with some people. I support the freedom of people chosing their sex or gender. At the same time, I'm not willing to fight their wars. And if they force me to go to war, then I pass.
cchcch 2y ago
Comments like this are why people find transactivists so irritating. Whether they happen to agree with them or not. No-one even mentioned transgender issues yet here you are bringing them up to start an argument. Not everything is about trans you know.