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Not to be cynical, but if anyone has looked at anything revealed about security agencies in the last few years it's very clear what's happening here - whenever

Not to be cynical, but if anyone has looked at anything revealed about security agencies in the last few years it's very clear what's happening here - whenever US wants to do something unpopular/straight up illegal, it just asks the UK(or any other partner country) to do it instead. American government can't ask Apple for data on any American citizen, but if UK obtains that data and then it happens to be shared between agencies......that's all fine. It's been happening already for years.

josefritzishere 2y ago
You are right... I hadn't put that together.
flir 2y ago
I wouldn't go full-on conspiracy, because I expect the impetus came from the UK, but... I doubt it would have gotten this far without tacit US gov support.
- mjburgess 2y ago
  Not only would I not be surprised if this was a US demand on the UK, but I'd think it highly likely that the law which the UK passed to allow this was also a demand from the US.
- sieabahlpark 2y ago
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- michaelt 2y ago
  Governments are huge and constantly changing things. The cops think this is great, more power in their hands. The feds think it'll help them out, but those local cops will try to abuse it for sure, let's hope the courts keep on top of the warrants. The spies already have access that's almost as good by illegal means, without the need for any of those pesky warrants. But it'll be useful not to have to keep their access secret. The judges think this is a Fourth Amendment bust-up waiting to happen, why would you even... ugh. The defensive cyber-security types think this is very obviously a bad move. The diplomats think the Brits are OK and will do their warrant stuff properly, but for sure there will immediately be a request from some oil-rich middle eastern dictatorship for the same access. That will make for some awkward conversations. The elected politicians in power want to get votes, and are safe against this power being used against them. Being tough on crime and Backing The Blue might be a vote-winner. 95% of voters don't know the difference between "encrypted end-to-end" and "encrypted in transit and at rest" so getting this right might not win you many votes. On the other hand, if this takes off in the public consciousness as snooping, or intrusion, or an expansion of state power, could lose you a lot of votes. Maybe wait and see how the public reacts? The elected politicians who aren't in power think ooooh boy, this is not a power I want used against me, and not an administration I'd trust not to use it against me.
davethedevguy 2y ago
UK governments have been pushing for this for years, usually invoking some recent terrorist event as justification. I'm not suggesting you're wrong, but I don't think this is _just_ the UK being a US puppet, there is very much an appetite for it in the UK parliament too.
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
Yes, officially since 1946. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes (look also for Nine and Fourteen Eyes on this page) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement
daedrdev 2y ago
I highly doubt that considering this article is about US complaints towards the UK demand.
- gambiting 2y ago
  Why? Obviously in public they have to say they are outraged by it. The collaboration and intelligence sharing between UK and US is not really up to debate, it's been going on for decades.

josefritzishere 2y ago

You are right... I hadn't put that together.

flir 2y ago

I wouldn't go full-on conspiracy, because I expect the impetus came from the UK, but... I doubt it would have gotten this far without tacit US gov support.

mjburgess 2y ago
Not only would I not be surprised if this was a US demand on the UK, but I'd think it highly likely that the law which the UK passed to allow this was also a demand from the US.
sieabahlpark 2y ago
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michaelt 2y ago
Governments are huge and constantly changing things. The cops think this is great, more power in their hands. The feds think it'll help them out, but those local cops will try to abuse it for sure, let's hope the courts keep on top of the warrants. The spies already have access that's almost as good by illegal means, without the need for any of those pesky warrants. But it'll be useful not to have to keep their access secret. The judges think this is a Fourth Amendment bust-up waiting to happen, why would you even... ugh. The defensive cyber-security types think this is very obviously a bad move. The diplomats think the Brits are OK and will do their warrant stuff properly, but for sure there will immediately be a request from some oil-rich middle eastern dictatorship for the same access. That will make for some awkward conversations. The elected politicians in power want to get votes, and are safe against this power being used against them. Being tough on crime and Backing The Blue might be a vote-winner. 95% of voters don't know the difference between "encrypted end-to-end" and "encrypted in transit and at rest" so getting this right might not win you many votes. On the other hand, if this takes off in the public consciousness as snooping, or intrusion, or an expansion of state power, could lose you a lot of votes. Maybe wait and see how the public reacts? The elected politicians who aren't in power think ooooh boy, this is not a power I want used against me, and not an administration I'd trust not to use it against me.

davethedevguy 2y ago

UK governments have been pushing for this for years, usually invoking some recent terrorist event as justification. I'm not suggesting you're wrong, but I don't think this is _just_ the UK being a US puppet, there is very much an appetite for it in the UK parliament too.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago

Yes, officially since 1946. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes (look also for Nine and Fourteen Eyes on this page) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement

daedrdev 2y ago

I highly doubt that considering this article is about US complaints towards the UK demand.

gambiting 2y ago
Why? Obviously in public they have to say they are outraged by it. The collaboration and intelligence sharing between UK and US is not really up to debate, it's been going on for decades.